Thats not one of the trees I'm referring to from page 2.SquatJar wrote: ↑September 15th, 2021, 8:05 pm Gotcha, I can definitely see some of the trees ramify too early, promoting more of a shrub image.
On the website I think Andrija's cherry plums do the best job of keeping longer sweeping primaries and secondaries before reaching the ramification.
Check out Cherry Plum #9, the ramification at time of collection in 2017 was insane!
ANDBonsai 2017 PC 9.jpg
And then after first pruning 2 years later
ANDBonsai 2019 PC 9.jpg
Also, Im fairly sure I call BullS&% on that tree being dug exactly like that from day 1. That has been dug previously, then grown for a while in that styrafoam, and ramified after being collected, then this photo was taken at its first styling.
They probably dug 1000s of trees, and only eventually took photos of the ones that survived after the initial collection and a massive cutting back to reduce the size and promote ramification, before being worked on.
I can't believe a man of that expertise would collect, style, cut-back and work a tree like that all on the first day of collection.
Grant Bowie once pointed out that it is natural for a tree to primarily have the ramification mainly on the outer edges, as this is what a tree naturally does. The interior tends to die back the growth as the outer leaves shade the inner areas of the tree, over time.
Yes, the only answer is time. But when you promote a million new crooked and twisted shoots from this primary or secondary branch, you've permanently ruined the tree. Nothing will correct it no matter how long you give it.delisea wrote: ↑September 15th, 2021, 5:53 pmOK, yeah I get the lack of taper in branches issue. It is the very difficult to solve. As far as I can tell the only way that can be achieved is lots of time. I would like to see what the Japanese would do with collected deciduous material like this. Are there any examples I wonder?
Cheers,
Symon
To create a more natural and fluid look, you allow only a decent number of new shoots in proportion to the main design to extend and then duplicate this over and over again, year after year for about 10 - 20 years +
Bonsai is a game of patience, which is often why those who start young and keep an open mind to learning will develop greater bonsai.
Unfortunately a lot of people only want to learn enough to keep their bonsai alive and do not continue to learn about natural growth or at least a proper gradual fluid of movement, rather than simply creating more manicured caricatures.