Juniperus Sabina - Advice Needed

[_gurbuz_]

Hello dear friends,

I am posting my Juniper's photos which i couldnt decide how to give a shape!i am posting some of the photos of it and some examples which i have found on different websites.. Actually i dont like cascade so much but probably i will make it a semi-cascade.. I hope some masters will give some advices about it.. I can post some other photos from different views,

Thanks to all who interest ..


Gürbüz

[Handy Mick]

G'day Gerbuz,
I think you can do any of those examples you have given.
Another photo of the other side could be of help.
At this point you could wire out those branches to allow some light inside and I don't know what season you are in but maybe a tip prune or some pinching of those longer branches to encourage some back budding.
You will also need to start on reducing your root mass ASAP.
You already have a good eye for design, don't rush.

Mick

[alpineart]

Hi Gurbuz , anyone can achieve anything given the time and patience .I have quite a few Savin Junipers -Juniperus Sabina If it was mine i would soak the root mass to allow you to remove half the soil it is in without too much damage .I find Sabina's slow to grow roots , so root run is important .I would place it into a larger shallow container and spread the root , you can either slip pot it but slicing the root ball vertically down the side and folding them out or wash away 50-60 % of the soil it is in , after soaking it for at least 24 hours them spread the root out so they can have good root run .

With the slip potting side done , i would as Mick said open up the foliage and tip prune where necessary and remove unwanted foliage then apply some basic wire to start a progression of the plant into a trainer . Slip potting can be done at any time as you are only manipulating the root ball into a better lower position .If you were to root prune it will slow the recovery and slow the progression , yes it will still grow but only marginally . I can't see the roots clearly in any of the picks so i would consider it pointless to root prune however i would reduce the tap root , not in a single hit but over 2 seasons .

It looks quite old so i would be careful trying to manipulate the main trunks as they will be more likely to snap or break . Anything over 8-10mm on an old Savin requires heavy wire and cautious movement , younger stock can be twisted and contorted very easy .You have a plan , take your time and reap the rewards in a season or two when the plant begin to resembles a quality bonsai trainer .From there it will become a very nice Bonsai .Easy does it but do it .

Cheers Alpineart

[bodhidharma]

You are only limited by your imagination here. Time and patience will achieve what you want. I have taken a very ordinary upright Juni into a eyepopping semi cascade in twelve years. It can be done. Go slowly and the tree eventually shows itself.

[GavinG]

You'd just be coming up to winter in Istanbul, I think, so maybe wait till March or April to do the root work.

The left trunk looks graceful, but the right one looks quite straight - would you consider cutting it off in spring, and leaning the left trunk further over the edge? 

Good luck,

(So where's the photo, Bodhi?)

Gavin

[kcpoole]

Hiya Gurbuz
Nice too see a poster from yet another country

Looks like very nice stock tree there and you do a good image of where you want to go. The only problem I see with that is the placement of the right trunk and its foliage pad.
This trunk moves to the right which is against the flow of the rest of the tree which moves to the left. The trunk going to the right looks out of place and too straight. I would like to see it with a bend to left in sympathy with the lower branch and the upper foliage pad further to the left and above the other ones.
Make more of a windswept tree

Ken

[_gurbuz_]

Dear friends,

First of all thanks for your very valuable advices and comments.

Mick;

Thanks for your nice words about i have a good eye for design, me me so happy. Actually its really difficult to see how to shape a tree for future as a newbie. But i am trying to look for different examples and try to understand. I wanted to post another photo of the other side but it was so crowded of branches and its difficult for me decide to trim them is a little bit difficult.. But i know that i can not learn until do it! But sure i can wire them as you adviced. Winter season is starting in here and i guess its the pruning time.

Well, actually i coulndt understand about the ROOT advice! Should i prune small roots around the trunk? or make down the level of the soil?


Alpineart;

Thanks for your advices and i know that to be patient is important.. Sorry for my language skills, i want to understand right thats why i will tell what i understood about the sentence which you wrote, please correct me if i am wrong. The sentence is "If it was mine i would soak the root mass to allow you to remove half the soil it is in without too much damage ." did you mean that i have to prune thin roots to make down the level of the soil without damage the tree? Ahaa, i guess i got it, i should do this to make the trunk's height longer, am i right? (and may i ask what is "slip pot" ?) Thanks for the good advices..


bodhidharma;

i agree with you.. time and patience must be the keywords! I have checked your photo album, they are all nice but Juniper is the superstar!
Thanks..


Gavin;

Well, the right trund doesnt only go straight also going to the behind.. As you told maybe i will cut it and make dead wood.. i will think about it.. And yes, winter is coming and proffessionals advice to prune and change the pot in these months..

Thanks


Ken;

Thanks to be so warm, its a pleasure to be a member of this forum.. I can see that how kind people Australians are..

About the tree, i agree with you and i have thought to make the opposide semi-cascade on the view which i tried to do on photoshop.. The right trunk is going straight first and than bending to back and behind to the tree.. i dont't know if i can change the way of it with a bonsai jack?!

Well to be honest, i must say that i got so excited when read your advice about a windswept tree.. it seems like the wind is coming from the opposite way and i can do it easily i guess..

Thank you so much..


Dear friends, thanks to all to give advices and help.. i read all the words and even red them on google translate to not make a mistake.. İ ll think about a little more and probably i will make some different drawings about my tree and i hope i will start in a right way..

Thanks to all and best regards..
(to all members: please dont stop to post )

Greeteings from Istanbul..

[Craig]

Gurbuz, welcome to site, you have received some great advice on a great piece of stock, i look forward to see your tranformation. Regards Craig.

Gürbüz, sitesine Hoşgeldiniz, hisse senedi büyük bir parçası büyük bazı tavsiyeler aldınız, ben senin tranformation görmek için sabırsızlanıyoruz. Craig bakmak

[_gurbuz_]

Gurbuz, welcome to site, you have received some great advice on a great piece of stock, i look forward to see your tranformation. Regards Craig.

Gürbüz, sitesine Hoşgeldiniz, hisse senedi büyük bir parçası büyük bazı tavsiyeler aldınız, ben senin tranformation görmek için sabırsızlanıyoruz. Craig bakmak

waoow, what a nice welcome! Thank you so much Craig! (actually google translate has to work much for Turkish language) but you are so kind.. And yes, i know how important advices the masters gave! I hope i will be successful and the next generation of bonsai lovers will be inspired by our works..

[alpineart]

Hi Gurbuz , slip potting simple mean removing from one pot to another without too much root disturbance .I use a sharp knife to slice down the outer mass 25mm deep or so from top to bottom and in 5-6 places around the root ball if possible between any thick roots , then flair the root mass out from the bottom,This reduces the height of the root mass by 50% and spreads the roots outer by 100 % gently tease the roots out then re pot as per normal .You need extra long roots on a juniper to thicken them or they remain thin and many around the base . If you type in Simple slip potting you should be able to find a topic on this site .Maybe a Mod can post the link , i'm not up to speed with computers .

Cheers Alpineart

[_gurbuz_]

Hi Gurbuz , slip potting simple mean removing from one pot to another without too much root disturbance .I use a sharp knife to slice down the outer mass 25mm deep or so from top to bottom and in 5-6 places around the root ball if possible between any thick roots , then flair the root mass out from the bottom,This reduces the height of the root mass by 50% and spreads the roots outer by 100 % gently tease the roots out then re pot as per normal .You need extra long roots on a juniper to thicken them or they remain thin and many around the base . If you type in Simple slip potting you should be able to find a topic on this site .Maybe a Mod can post the link , i'm not up to speed with computers .

Cheers Alpineart

Hi Alpineart, i have searched slip potting before to ask but i should search with the words "Simple Slip Potting". Thanks for the key words and you have a good expression, thanks..

[Craig]

no problem Alpine viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7019&start=0&hilit=simple+slip+pot