Yet Another River Red...

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Yet Another River Red...

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Gday folks!

Still too dark and wet (and really, really COLD) to do anything outside, so I thought I might as well post the beginnings of another progression. To the best of my knowledge, this is a River Red Gum (Eucalyptus camaldulensis) that I purchased a few years ago from Ba Loc Bonsai in Ardeer. It has already been seen at AB.c as the subject of an air layer or two, but it is now time to address the tree in its own right.

June 2007
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April 2008

These photos show the tree after the removal of the first successful air layer on this tree. More details can be seen in this thread.
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December 2009

There aren't many photos of the tree leading up to December 2009, except for the ones which concern the second major air layer. Let it suffice to say that it looked like this after the layer was removed:

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The LH branch is where I have attempted to 'point graft' a new leader into place, but I think I chopped too close to the branch to achieve a successful graft.


October 2010
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Despite good rains lately, the growing tips of the Euc were wilting readily on warm and/or windy days, indicating one of a few possible issues: usually with Eucs, wilting growth means that the roots are not able to take up water. Upon inspection of the roots/soil, I found that the soil had become compacted, with no air gaps between individual soil particles. As such, the soil had become water-repellent, and I believe that the inclusion of chopped sphagnum moss in the mix had contributed to the problem. Nevertheless, the container was full of roots, both thick and thin. Sorry I didn't get any photos of the root-pruning process, but I was thinking about other things...

As the aforementioned 'point graft' appears to have failed, I decided to bite the bullet and start to work towards some serious taper:
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Although it is not apparent at this angle, I have attempted another 'point graft' at the union of the three branches. The tree is now in an extremely fast-draining mix, with the sphagnum and all small particles sifted out. If the rain ever lets up, I will try to get photos of the tree potted up and at the correct(?) angle.

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FlyBri wrote:If the rain ever lets up, I will try to get photos of the tree potted up and at the correct(?) angle.
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I understand that this looks a lot more like a retrogression than a progression, but I'm finally a bit excited about the future of this one...

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Thank you so much for these informative posts on Red River Gum ( I've also been exploring your Euc Camaldulensis (River Red Gum) Stump and Air-Layering A River Red posts).

I'm experimenting with Eucalyptus Melliodora (Yellow Box) to grow as a bonsai. I have successfully moved young plants in the past to use as windbreaks on property but am only just starting to explore pot culture. Your posts are so imformative and inspiring - great information. I realise that Yellow Box are different to Red Rivers but hope that much of the information will still apply,

Thanks again,

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Jan wrote:I'm experimenting with Eucalyptus Melliodora (Yellow Box) to grow as a bonsai. I have successfully moved young plants in the past to use as windbreaks on property but am only just starting to explore pot culture. Your posts are so imformative and inspiring - great information. I realise that Yellow Box are different to Red Rivers but hope that much of the information will still apply...
Gday Jan!

I have played with E. meliodora a bit and found that the species seems to work OK in potted culture. It might be the particular specimen that I'm working with, but it would appear that Yellow Box is not quite as responsive as the River Reds in terms of root pruning and back-budding. (I'm beginning to suspect that this tree is also a Yellow Box, in which case my statement about 'unresponsiveness' doesn't really stand.) I'll be very interested in seeing what you manage to achieve.

Meanwhile, the River Red stump is already starting to bud!

Updates soon...

Thanks.

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Nothing like finding the smallest tree within Mr. Fly. Looks like you might even be creating a sumo RR Gum?
I'm very interested to see where you are going with this cause I'm just not keeping up at the moment. :shock:

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Steven wrote:Nothing like finding the smallest tree within Mr. Fly. Looks like you might even be creating a sumo RR Gum?
Gday Mr Steven!

I'm not sure if I can pull it off, but a Sumo style RRG is what I'm aiming for. We shall see...

Anyway, here it is one month after the repotting/pruning session. Our recent wet weekends have kept things nice and damp, and the tree appears to have appreciated it.
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FlyBri wrote:
Steven wrote:Nothing like finding the smallest tree within Mr. Fly. Looks like you might even be creating a sumo RR Gum?
Gday Mr Steven!

I'm not sure if I can pull it off, but a Sumo style RRG is what I'm aiming for. We shall see....
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Gday folks!

Please find attached pics of my latest work on this River Red. Still not looking like much, I have to say...

Thanks!
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Congratulations on the 1000th post Mr Fly :hooray:
I can honestly say that each and everyone of your posts has helped build AusBonsai into the great community it is today. :clap:

Have you chopped the underside of lignotubers before without ill effect?
You might consider cutting the branches back a bit harder to the first set of leaves to encourage more movement? Or are you planning on using the cut off branch that heads to the left as your tree?

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Steven wrote:Congratulations on the 1000th post Mr Fly :hooray:
Thanks Mr Steven! I couldn't have done it without your support! :tu2:
Steven wrote:Have you chopped the underside of lignotubers before without ill effect?
You might consider cutting the branches back a bit harder to the first set of leaves to encourage more movement? Or are you planning on using the cut off branch that heads to the left as your tree?
I'm not 100% certain that this is a lignotuber as such, or whether it is just the remains of the original root system. Either way, I have been working the undersides of my larger Eucs like this for some years now, if only to send them in a Bonsai-pot-ready direction. I've never had a problem with doing this, and every time I repot, I find that the tree has attempted to heal the damage by rolling bark over the edges of the wound.


At this stage I am undecided as to a future leader - just in case you couldn't tell from the pics... :oops: As well as the chopped branch (whch has buds about halfway along the length), there are 3 thickish branches and 2 thinner ones. That's 6 potential leaders to choose from. :palm: At the moment, I am keeping them all in order to expediate the grafting process (HERE) and to thicken that first section of new trunk. I am not entirely sure if this is the correct potting angle and/or front.

I should mention that I have drilled out the trunk, right through to the underside, and this hollow is now packed with sphagnum. I am hoping that the constant moisture will encourage rot and wood-eating critters, in order to help me hollow the trunk further. I'll let you know how it goes in a year.

Thanks!

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