Hi Damian , i visit a lot of nurseries and a lot pines are mis-labelled .It seems to be fairly common to call them red , black or white and most people think they are all Japanese .Today there is a lot of European species available but very few can correctly label them . Most of my collection are all European pines , I have reds , yellows , whites , blacks and a few JBP'S as well and numerous 2 needle pines that have to be identified .Pines are i mine field to correctly I.D . As long as it plays ball when you come to work it , its a good pine tree . There's is so many variants and cultivars nowadays we don't know which one is which

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Cheers Alpine