RYAN NEIL IS COMING

[Mojo Moyogi]

Im pretty sure AABC don't let the internationals do gigs enternal to the convention.

So, the convention is the only way anyone will get to see him.

If that is the case, that sure sucks!... is that in the spirit of bonsai?
Cheers, Dario.

May not be in the spirit of Bonsai but can you imagine if you paid someone to come and speak to your group and then another group jumped in and got them for next to nothing. As the saying goes, "Can't mix business with pleasure, unless you're a street walker".

If the above is true, I must say I am quite surprised.

Hypothetically speaking, what if I wrote Mr Neil, who is a professional, therefore a businessman, a cheque for $10 grand for a 4 day gig in Melbourne for the Melbourne Bonsai Clubs on the weekend after the AABC, would he be allowed to do the gig? How about if I flew him back to the US and then straight back out? Would that still be undercutting the AABC? Further to that, would more international artists come to our shores if there were opportunities to tour for a prolonged period following a big gig for the governing body of Australian Bonsai?

I'm sorry, and with all due respect to the AABC, it's members and friends (some of whom I know and respect), regardless of how you spin it, that is not in the spirit of bonsai. It must be possible to have a more advantageous arrangement than that, one that benefits bonsai in Australia and visiting professionals.

Cheers,
Mojo

[Pup]

Go to the convention as we had to from Perth, to see Boon, that aside, private arrangements can be made with all visiting teachers. When Hiro comes to us in Perth he has spare time.

The club offers him to the members for private sessions, at their cost it works well.
So to say that sucks without fully understanding the reason for it, that sucks.

When we were talking to Boon, he told us that he was off after he got home for one day, then he was going to Seattle Washington for another conference. A lot of the visiting teachers have other commitments to fulfill, so it is not always feasible.

Clubs are also at fault, because when Peter Adams was last here we in the west, did not know until after the event, as with others so it behoves clubs to share this information around.

Just my Pup

Ps its not cheap from Perth.
PPs when Mr Lo was here last year, he was off to Kentucky in the USA 4 days after he got back to China. After flying out Monday evening from Perth, after the close of the Convention.

[Gareth]

Heres an idea,....

Instead of arguing about who likes what artist better, and getting involved in Symantec arguments about why he wouldn't be allowed to come because all the spots are full or because of requirements for the convention to actually ask him to participate........ HOW ABOUT......

Finding a way to actually get him involved and making moves to GET HIM into australia so he can do a demo at the convention.

He, along with many other artists, are a valuable asset to this hobby, industry, and each has their own thing to offer to everyone.

Just saying......

[Mojo Moyogi]

Hi Pup, I know less about clubs than that twit who is coaching Freo and very little about the AABC but I hear where you are coming from regarding Peter Adams. On his previous visit (2009?) when he went to NSW I found out about it the week before. When he came to Melbourne last year, I had plenty of notice but couldn't make it to the event due to last minute work commitments and forfeited my deposit. I will wait to see what others add to this debate and when I am less tired, I will contribute.

Cheers,
Mojo

[Mojo Moyogi]

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[Pup]

Heres an idea,....

Instead of arguing about who likes what artist better, and getting involved in Symantec arguments about why he wouldn't be allowed to come because all the spots are full or because of requirements for the convention to actually ask him to participate........ HOW ABOUT......

Finding a way to actually get him involved and making moves to GET HIM into australia so he can do a demo at the convention.

He, along with many other artists, are a valuable asset to this hobby, industry, and each has their own thing to offer to everyone.

Just saying......

Hi Gareth, but I do believe he is coming, and will be in Canberra next May, and is the headliner at the AABC convention being held in that City.
well at least that is how I read it, I believe the debate is, why he cannot go elswhere whilst he is in Australia.

Cheers Pup

[Dario]

The club offers him to the members for private sessions, at their cost it works well.
So to say that sucks without fully understanding the reason for it, that sucks..

My comment..."that sure sucks" was purely an expression of disappointment...not a comment about the AABC or clubs, or about understanding how these situations/events are organised.
My rhetorical question... "is that in the spirit of bonsai?"
Definition of a rhetorical question: a rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked in order to make a point and without the expectation of a reply. The question is used as a rhetorical device, posed for the sake of encouraging its listener to consider a message or viewpoint.
...well on a public forum I did expect a response, but the essence of the question I believe is relevent.

If the above is true, I must say I am quite surprised....would more international artists come to our shores if there were opportunities to tour for a prolonged period following a big gig for the governing body of Australian Bonsai?
I'm sorry, and with all due respect to the AABC, it's members and friends (some of whom I know and respect), regardless of how you spin it, that is not in the spirit of bonsai. It must be possible to have a more advantageous arrangement than that, one that benefits bonsai in Australia and visiting professionals.Cheers,
Mojo

Totally agree with Mojo on this. I realise that these bonsai practisioners/teachers (notice I did not use the term master or artist...but that is another discussion), can have a full schedule. But if they have some free time then fitting in as many events as possible not only makes good economic sense, but also makes the most of their long journey and their skills and ability. Whilst also reaching as many people as possible, which can only benefit bonsai in Australia.
Cheers, Dario.

[Pup]

The club offers him to the members for private sessions, at their cost it works well.
So to say that sucks without fully understanding the reason for it, that sucks..

My comment..."that sure sucks" was purely an expression of disappointment...not a comment about the AABC or clubs, or about understanding how these situations/events are organised.
My rhetorical question... "is that in the spirit of bonsai?"
Definition of a rhetorical question: a rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked in order to make a point and without the expectation of a reply. The question is used as a rhetorical device, posed for the sake of encouraging its listener to consider a message or viewpoint.
...well on a public forum I did expect a response, but the essence of the question I believe is relevent.

If the above is true, I must say I am quite surprised....would more international artists come to our shores if there were opportunities to tour for a prolonged period following a big gig for the governing body of Australian Bonsai?
I'm sorry, and with all due respect to the AABC, it's members and friends (some of whom I know and respect), regardless of how you spin it, that is not in the spirit of bonsai. It must be possible to have a more advantageous arrangement than that, one that benefits bonsai in Australia and visiting professionals.Cheers,
Mojo

Totally agree with Mojo on this. I realise that these bonsai practisioners/teachers (notice I did not use the term master or artist...but that is another discussion), can have a full schedule. But if they have some free time then fitting in as many events as possible not only makes good economic sense, but also makes the most of their long journey and their skills and ability. Whilst also reaching as many people as possible, which can only benefit bonsai in Australia.
Cheers, Dario.

Dario are you going to any of Hirotoshi Saitoh's workshops or demonstration's whilst he is in Melbourne this July? That is not a rhetorical question, I would like an answer not a response.
As this is an opportunity for you to participate, with a proffesional, from Japan, whom is a registered demonstrator and teacher of the Nippon Bonsai association of Japan.cheers Pup

[LLK]

If a famous, overseas headliner was coming to your city or region right after an AABC Seminar, would you bother to go to that Seminar? Maybe you'd say "Sure, to watch the other demonstrators". But it is much more likely that you'll think, "I'll attend the weekend here with the overseas sensei. it's cheaper and the Aussies at the Seminar I can watch any time". Clubs who organise Seminars can't afford that kind of competition.

There are clubs or organisations that bring out overseas demonstrators independently, like the BFA and the Illawarra. And yes, sometimes I wish that there were more sharing of info. For instance, I was very sorry that we in Canberra heard too late about Bill Valavanis' return to be able to invite him too.
Well, it's best to make the most of what we can get.
But let's consider something else, and that is the fact that the attraction of overseas demonstrators may well be caused by the thought that they ARE from overseas. After watching a fair number of them, I have come to the conclusion that some Australian demonstrators I have seen performing are just as good!! (I haven't seen them all, sorry.)

Lisa