AusBonsai Shohin Progression Competition 2013-2014

[Pup]

It appears there is some confusion here so I will make a comment, supposing as usual when I do it will kill the thread.

If the rules confuse you do not enter, if you do understand them enter.

Have fun people best of luck, Pup by the way I am confused

[lackhand]

Speaking for myself, the difficulty is that you can't really enforce rules based on somebody's intentions. I have a tree I would like to enter, but it's a cutting only a few months old. In order to prep it before cutting, I pruned some branches, and now that it has started to grow again, it has some secondary branching and thus ramification. But based on internet pictures, there is no way to tell that, you just have to believe me (I could just be saying that, and the tree might not even be a cutting). Since that leaves so much grey area, the rules state no branch work, thus disqualifying my tree even though I don't consider what has been done branch work. The only way for me to enter it would be to remove the branches, and since I'm trying to drive root growth in a cutting, that's a poor plan.

So I am one of many who has pruned but not styled branches, and my tree can't be entered. I think this is where the confusion/frustration comes in. But I think Steven has done the right thing. There is really no way to tell what somebody meant to accomplish by pruning, especially when so many of us are novices and who knows what we were thinking. The only way I can see to be fair is to just say no branch pruning at all, which is not perfect, but will have to do.

[MattA]

Just a quick clarification, is deadwood to be included in the height limit or is it allowed to be slightly taller as long as the canopy is within the 250mm? I have 2 trees that will require extensive carving and I will need to factor this into a final design for both.

Bring on April 1st & let the fun begin

[Jan]

is deadwood to be included in the height limit or is it allowed to be slightly taller as long as the canopy is within the 250mm?

I imagine the deadwood would be included in the height limit, MattA, as in an earlier clarification post, if I remember it correctly, Steven pointed out the the rock in a "root over rock" setting would be included in the hieght limit. I'd presume that the same would apply to the dead wood.

Have a look back in this thread and see what you think,

Jan

[Pup]

When the Apex of the Bonsai is assessed, It is always the highest point of the foliage. As taught by our club Sensei Hirotoshi Saitoh.

As I said earlier I am confused

[Bretts]

LOL I would have thought it was the highest point be it rock deadwood or foliage?
Edit: It is my laymans belief that various organisations have various rulings but this is a new one to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc

[Pup]

LOL I would have thought it was the highest point be it rock deadwood or foliage?
Edit: It is my laymans belief that various organisations have various rulings but this is a new one to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc

I always argued that point as you do. From my apprenticeship days, then when working in the building industry. The highest point was always the top of the object.
He then said foliage

[Paul W]

As I said earlier I am confused

Christ Pup if you are confused,what hope have us novices got.As you said before if you are confused don`t enter and that applies to me.

[MattA]

When the Apex of the Bonsai is assessed, It is always the highest point of the foliage. As taught by our club Sensei Hirotoshi Saitoh.

As I said earlier I am confused

Pup, welcome to my world, I am always confused.. I will work on total height & make the deadwood accordingly... its going to be soo much fun

[MoGanic]

First comp im confused but my own entries make sense to me.

Wooooohoooooo!

[Neli]

I dont understand the logic in ROR rules. I have to abide by them but it is a bit strange to me.
Imagine a penjing...a tall rock...with a tiny tree on it....It is the tree that matters and not the rock...since rock can be viewed as part of the ground/soil/strata=top of pot.
It means that if you want to do a ROR the stone has to be real flat and uninteresting in this case....Does this promote good design?
I would like some clarification in this issue if possible.
I would also like to know how the rules apply to root in rock, where there is soil in the rock...and part of the tree roots are growing in that hole (some outside over it). Will the rock then be considered as top of the pot...since there is soil in it. The whole arrangement was planned to be on a slab. I would not post it yet until it is clarified as acceptable. Have a little fig and a stone with a hole in it...wanted to plant the tree in the hole with some of the roots coming over the stone.The stone is a bit high...close to 15cm...so I will not manage a tree of 5cm final height...
Please let me know.

[Bretts]

In Penjing the rocks are an integral part of the composition, just as important as the little tree sitting on them. In fact penjing does not even need the tree in the composition.

[Neli]

So what does this mean? Do you still measure from the top of the slab or from the top of the rock, which is filled with soil.?

[jono15779]

Cant upload photos, saying they are invalid. Pleeeeeeeaaaase help.
Regards
Jono.

[MattA]

Neli,
From my understanding if its roots grow over the rock into a pot its measured from the pot. If its growing in a rock (ie the rock is the pot) then its measured from the top of the rock.

Jono,
They may be too large, try resizing them, I make mine all roughly 800x600.