Persimmon

[astroboy76]

hi has anyone had any experience with Permisson's? does anyone know what type of flower they get or have any general advice?

[anttal63]

you mean a perssimon. i think the leaves are to big???

[Ash]

O Come on...cant we give Permission to use the name Permisson instead of Persimon?

[Jester]

I think you mean Persimmons (diospyros discolor)

Type of flower??? Depends on the species
I have attached a photo below of an american persimmon flower (Diospyros Virginiana) but that is just one example.

Above that is a cultivar called Diospyros Kaki 'Fuyu'

Beyond that all I know is that they make spectacular Bonsai but I have not saved any pictures to show you.

[anttal63]

jester i would love to see these as bonsai! the growth behavior looks very course but then again a pot can change things?

[astroboy76]

hahaha how to look like an idiot. yeah, persimmon is the one. i saw the pictures of the american one but i also saw a pic on google that looked closer to a prunus flower. the plant itself is exception in trunk movement and branch structure. i have also heard, though forums overseas that they are great to bonsai. maybe i shoudl go back to ray and ask

[astroboy76]

here is a pic of Flowers of Persimmon.... Fior di Caco. i hope this is the breed i have. i also found som pics of bonsai persimmon

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[MelaQuin]

The botanical name is Diospyros Kaki or Princess Persimmon. I did a post 'Thinning a Persimmon Branch' in the Exotic Plant section recently and there's information on the species in that post. You can get one if you are lucky from Ray Nesci's.

I repotted my male persimmon last week and discovered why it was in such a large pot.... five large root stubs under the base. Naturally they had to go. Luckily persimmon wood is no way near as hard as elm or olive so I was able to remove them with minimal trouble and the tree does not appear to have suffered.

Persimmons grow quickly and set hard and branches the size of a pencil are all but unbendable. You need to get a nice trunk or get a young one and bring it on over the years.

[astroboy76]

the persimmon i got is from rays nursery. it has fantastic trunk movement and good branches. i have managed to shape it a little but that is all i needed. does ray stock the kaka one u spoke of? is that where u got urs? i am curious at the the type of persimmon i got from rays

[MelaQuin]

You would have the kaki, to my knowledge Ray only handles the miniature Princess Persimmon [Kaki]. But do you have male or female??? And you can't spread two roots to find the answer to that question!! I have not seen these trees in flower but Ray said the male has a small trumpet shaped flower while the female is a larger, more open shape. My male is basically a trunk with a few stubby branchlets- so there won't be any flowers this season - I will be chuffed if develops leaves and branchlets.

[astroboy76]

how does one knwo if it is male or female? how did u know urs was male?

[Jester]

jester i would love to see these as bonsai! the growth behavior looks very course but then again a pot can change things?

Sorry about the graininess of the photo. It was the best I could do.

[astroboy76]

there is no pic jester