Chasing Pine I.D.

[bodhidharma]

I have been under the impression that this is a JBP but i am starting to think not! It does not act like my other Black pines regards backbudding. It will readily produce new branches from the trunk but does not give buds readily on branches. Also the branches do not bulk up like my other jbp's. Any ideas out there? I know there are a lot of differing pines out there Like Nigra's etc but not sure on this ones heritage. Also the needles are a lot softer? than my other jbp's. The trunk is worth the effort to do something with this tree but worthless if i cannot get it to back bud.

[Gerard]

I suspect it may be a red, similar to JBP in many ways.
My reds are typically more sparse and needles are a little finer than most of my blacks.

[MoGanic]

Hmm not sure of the species...

However, would grafting branches be an option? I.e replace the foliage with black pine?

Interesting to see what it is!

Mo


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[Jarad]

I'm no expert (or even novice) but the bark looks white. Could it be a Japanese White/Scotts Pine?

[bodhidharma]

I suspect it may be a red, similar to JBP in many ways.

I have been wondering that myself Gerard and i am leaning toward it being a Red. I know we treat them much the same as Blacks but i am hoping for a positive confirmation.

However, would grafting branches be an option? I.e replace the foliage with black pine?

If its a red Mo, definitely not. It would be easier for me to purchase a black pine but i already have plenty. Now, if it is a red, as i suspect it is, then i will work at making this tree happen.

Could it be a Japanese White/Scotts Pine?

Thats a 100% percent no Jarad. I have plenty of both for comparison.

[Grant Bowie]

Black pine do vary a lot from seed and also do cross breed with Red Pine.

The whiter and bigger the buds, the stronger, thicker and stiffer the needles then it is more black pine. The redder and smaller the buds, the finer and softer the needles then it is more Red pine.

Red pine is less vigorous and so doesn't back bud as easily also.

There is an infinite range in between.

If it has 3 needles instead of 2 it is a Radiata.

Grant

[bodhidharma]

by Grant Bowie » 2 minutes ago

Black pine do vary a lot from seed and also do cross breed with Red Pine.

The whiter and bigger the buds, the stronger, thicker and stiffer the needles then it is more black pine. The redder and smaller the buds, the finer and softer the needles then it is more Red pine.

Red pine is less vigorous and so doesn't back bud as easily also.

There is an infinite range in between.

If it has 3 needles instead of 2 it is a Radiata.

Grant

Thanks Grant, first check was needles and it is two. Bark is quite different from radiata. i have been scouring the internet and came across a site that made I.D simple. On Black pines new buds come out white and on red pines they come out red, as you stated How simple is that! It is a Red by the way and i am pleased with the I.D as i have no mature reds. Now to get to work

[MoGanic]

by Grant Bowie » 2 minutes ago

Black pine do vary a lot from seed and also do cross breed with Red Pine.

The whiter and bigger the buds, the stronger, thicker and stiffer the needles then it is more black pine. The redder and smaller the buds, the finer and softer the needles then it is more Red pine.

Red pine is less vigorous and so doesn't back bud as easily also.

There is an infinite range in between.

If it has 3 needles instead of 2 it is a Radiata.

Grant

Thanks Grant, i have been scouring the internet and came across a site that made I.D simple. On Black pines new buds come out white and on red pines they come out red, as you stated How simple is that! It is a Red by the way and i am pleased with the I.D as i have no mature reds. Now to get to work

Wow, that's great news! I did not know that Reds could bud on trunk like that!

-Mo

[bodhidharma]

I did not know that Reds could bud on trunk like that!

Me either Mo, learn something new every day