Group of junipers

Pup · Post by **Pup** » June 20th, 2015, 6:14 pm

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This is a group of mine that was in need of thinning out and some wiring so to day phase one thinning. First 2 are front and back, the after thinning.

Cheers Pup
Round the wrong way the bottom 2 are front and back

John Henry · Post by **John Henry** » June 20th, 2015, 6:28 pm

Very nice mate a big job hope your good lady Sue gave you a hand.

cheers john M

Pup · Post by **Pup** » June 20th, 2015, 6:30 pm

John Henry wrote:Very nice mate a big job hope your good lady Sue gave you a hand.
cheers john M

Yea she is still crapping oops

I mean clapping.

Daluke · Post by **Daluke** » June 20th, 2015, 7:50 pm

Great specimen.

What's the story behind it? Age, pot etc

Elmar · Post by **Elmar** » June 20th, 2015, 11:01 pm

Beautiful, Pup.

Cheers
Elmar

Pup · Post by **Pup** » June 20th, 2015, 11:30 pm

The group is approx. 20 years, put together as a public demo at an exhibition. The oldest tree is around 30 years old. The pot is Chinese.

It is for sale, an hour a month for 20 years at 30 per hour, so if I ask for 2,500 plus freight is that too much?.

Cheers Pup

Daluke · Post by **Daluke** » June 21st, 2015, 8:07 am

Do you take lay by

Pup · Post by **Pup** » June 21st, 2015, 1:39 pm

Daluke wrote:Do you take lay by

Yes, under the same conditions as the stores do, a deposit and regular payments, till its payed then pick it up.

Webos · Post by **Webos** » June 21st, 2015, 5:10 pm

A while back I heard of a seller who added up hours to calculate the value of a tree. Going by that system, my 8 year olds drawings are worth the same a picasso. Anyone wanna buy my sons drawing at a million dollars an hour?

Elmar · Post by **Elmar** » June 21st, 2015, 8:06 pm

I don't know Webos, I don't think it's unreasonable - you have to see the group to fully appreciate it!

There's a slight difference in your sons skill level compared to Pups Bonsai skill... The comparison can be misconstrued as disrespectful.

But that's my view, forgive me.

Cheers
Elmar

Webos · Post by **Webos** » June 21st, 2015, 8:41 pm

I'm not really commenting on the group. Nor is it a comment on the owners level of ability. I'm commenting on the per hour dollar calculation for art. I've seen trees with very few hours put in and everything is set up ready for a great future. Others, with crap roots that can never be repaired and hundreds of hours put into them with crap results.

Let's ask the growers out there if every one of the 1000 trees they dug his season would be priced the same based on hours put into that batch... Or if they look at every specimen and price according to desirable traits.

What I'm saying is.. Number of hours cannot be any kind of guarantee of the quality of the tree and therefore cannot be the main determining factor in it's price.

Adam

bodhidharma · Post by **bodhidharma** » June 21st, 2015, 8:49 pm

Webos wrote:Let's ask the growers out there if every one of the 1000 trees they dug his season would be priced the same based on hours put into that batch... Or if they look at every specimen and price according to desirable traits.

Priced on desirability. Goes without saying.

thoglette · Post by **thoglette** » June 21st, 2015, 9:19 pm

Webos wrote:A while back I heard of a seller who added up hours to calculate the value of a tree. Going by that system, my 8 year olds drawings are worth the same a picasso. Anyone wanna buy my sons drawing at a million dollars an hour?

I call B*****T. There's a reason I'll pay a QC a crap load per hour than your eight year old to represent me in court. And he's not going anywhere near my hair with those scissors!

There's the old joke about the factory that had to get the "old bloke" back to sort out their main machine after they "let him go".

He wandered in, listened for a while, then marked the machine with a X in chalk and whacked it with a hammer. All good, machine rumbled into action. Sent them a bill for $30K. They asked him to revise his invoice - on the basis they couldn't pay $30K to whack a machine with a hammer. Revised invoice: $1 to hit machine with hammer. $29,999 for knowing where to hit it.

Elmar · Post by **Elmar** » June 21st, 2015, 9:25 pm

thoglette wrote: He wandered in, listened for a while, then marked the machine with a X in chalk and whacked it with a hammer. All good, machine rumbled into action. Sent them a bill for $30K. They asked him to revise his invoice - on the basis they couldn't pay $30K to whack a machine with a hammer. Revised invoice: $1 to hit machine with hammer. $29,999 for knowing where to hit it.

Haha - yer oldie but a goodie! Heard that once before... See it every day here in the Mining! Old guys are offered 'Redundancies' over and over so they can hire '3 young guns' for the same value.
A call out is made and the 3 YGs bust out the front door, racing their Utes to the trouble, replacing everything until they find what is actually wrong! Old guys finish their meals, do their dishes select a few tools and walk over to the job and replace the trouble item, tidy up and finish before the YGs!!!

I have seen this group and its magic! If I had the skills I'd take it myself - Pup throws away greater quality plants than what I have managed to produce to date... and that is not an exaggeration (except he doesn't throw them away).

Cheers
Elmar

Pup · Post by **Pup** » June 21st, 2015, 10:00 pm

This was a tounge in cheek answer before it was asked.
It will probably be offered to the national collection as it is a two man tree and only one of me.

Nice to see the conjecture though.

Cheers pup

Ps I remember what the insurance valuation that was put on two trees that ended up in the collection.
Left me gob smacked.

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