Unknown Seedling - please help me ID it.

[missybonsai]

i didnt know wher else to post this so i decided that since i grew this THING from a seed i would put it here. i have absolutely no idea what it is! what happened was i planted some pyracantha and other seeds in an icecream container in rows with wire twisted in different shapes at the end to mark which row was what plant. nothing other than the pyracantha and this germinated; and it grew in the row of pyracantha! i just can't figure it out,,, please help!

the whole plant


closeup of the leaves

[nealweb]

I don't know but seeing as it was seed grown there may be quite a bit of variation in the seedlings. Maybe it IS a prracantha and just looks a little different from the rest??? Or maybe thats just a crazy idea? ...

[JayP]

it looks a bit like 'Grewia occidentalis'. has it ever flowered?

[missybonsai]

it looks a bit like 'Grewia occidentalis'. has it ever flowered?

no it hasnt flowered,, but i wouldnt expect it to since its only about a year or two old. i looked on google and the leaves seem a fair bit skinnier than grewia though, still it could be

[JayP]

i think your right missy! after looking a second time the foliage is similar but not quite the same..

[dayne]

is it one of those natives that have the red and black small flowers cant remember there name for the life of me

[Shannon]

Hey Dayne, I think you are talking about "Ochna serrulata" it gets red sepals and black berries and its a noxious weed in N.S.W. native to Guinea and W. Africa used for hedges and you see it poping up alot around here on the sunny coast , I agree missybonsai photo's do look like it.
Missy maybe it was luck and was sown by a bird around the same time as your Pyracantha.

[anttal63]

very interesting! i just wonder wether you have come up with some sort of sport from your seeds. the stem growth is all pyracantha. you may have started a new line of dna here. firethorn's with serrated leaves

[dayne]

thanks shannon i knew you would know what i meant

[anttal63]

Hey Dayne, I think you are talking about "Ochna serrulata" it gets red sepals and black berries and its a noxious weed in N.S.W. native to Guinea and W. Africa used for hedges and you see it poping up alot around here on the sunny coast , I agree missybonsai photo's do look like it.
Missy maybe it was luck and was sown by a bird around the same time as your Pyracantha.

thanks for that shannon i have never seen or heard of this one. sounds like you got it mate. are the two related?

[missybonsai]

very interesting! i just wonder wether you have come up with some sort of sport from your seeds. the stem growth is all pyracantha. you may have started a new line of dna here. firethorn's with serrated leaves

Are you guys pulling my leg here,, or can this actaully happen?
Maybe i should just wait a few years until it flowers and then see...

[anttal63]

very interesting! i just wonder wether you have come up with some sort of sport from your seeds. the stem growth is all pyracantha. you may have started a new line of dna here. firethorn's with serrated leaves

Are you guys pulling my leg here,, or can this actaully happen?
Maybe i should just wait a few years until it flowers and then see...

anything is possible from a seed.

[missybonsai]

Well i was taking a weed out near this thing yesterday and I found a thorn ( or rather it found my finger!) After further investigation, I found the thorns reside under the leaves (like a hawthorn) where a bud has come out from the stem or branch, there is a thorn and a bunch of maybe three or four leaves. does the ochna serrulata have thorns? i can't tell from the google photos, I know pyracantha have thorns (after all they ARE called fireTHORN)

[Edward Scissorhand]

i didnt know wher else to post this so i decided that since i grew this THING from a seed i would put it here. i have absolutely no idea what it is! what happened was i planted some pyracantha and other seeds in an icecream container in rows with wire twisted in different shapes at the end to mark which row was what plant. nothing other than the pyracantha and this germinated; and it grew in the row of pyracantha! i just can't figure it out,,, please help!

the whole plant


closeup of the leaves

Looks definitely like a pyracantha, I have 3 different varieties and looking at the leaves from the pic, its a pyracantha. These different ones are the valuable ones, you could patent it and get plant breeders rights and name it after yourself, "missybonsai" variety. Not to get your hopes up and I think it costs abit to do all this, but its exciting if it eventually produces a different berry colour.

[missybonsai]

Looks definitely like a pyracantha, I have 3 different varieties and looking at the leaves from the pic, its a pyracantha. These different ones are the valuable ones, you could patent it and get plant breeders rights and name it after yourself, "missybonsai" variety. Not to get your hopes up and I think it costs abit to do all this, but its exciting if it eventually produces a different berry colour. [/quote]


wow! thanks! thats pretty exciting!