Juniper Squamata Nursery stock pruning/shaping advice

[Jamie]

all good mate

i am doing a virt of what i would do, i would get rid of that crossing branch that starts on the right and goes all the way to the left for the first pad on the tail.

virt isnt fair off, i will get it done tonight

[Jamie]

ok CD (what is ya name by the way so i dont have to either shorten it or right it out?)

here is my idea of what you have left. its completely different but will make for a very nice mame/shohin.

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its all there to use mate, and i think makes for a nicer semi cascade. and you wont have to take 5 years pinching back to get the foliage back closer to the trunk on the other side tail.

just my thoughts pal, its up to you what you do, i think you could develop the virt i done in a couple of years, and in 5-8 years it will be very solid, the great thing about semi cascade as well is it is easier to energy balance than a full cascade.

jamie

[Mojo Moyogi]

Hi Creeping Dragon. You can have any trunk shape you want with a tree like this, there is no need to be tied to cascade or semi-cascade, with this species you can have them any time. A 20-25cm informal upright, will look nicely in scale with the trunk thickness that you have now and I am sure that there are plenty of potential branches and a future apex in there somewhere.

Go to your local bicycle store and ask if you can have an inner tube that has a hole in it/has been put in the chuck out bin. Cut it into long strips about 20mm wide. Wrap the trunk with a layer of plain paper and then the strips of rubber, overlap the strips by about a third on every rotation around the trunk. Secure both ends with a loop of wire to stop the whole thing un-winding itself. It will unwind itself, so wrap it again . Use 6mm aluminium wire and wire the trunk fairly firmly, you will need 2 or even possibly 3 strands to bend the trunk, these need to be applied at 45 degrees if you can and it is important for all strands to be neat and close together. Bend trunk upright and add some curves. This will take a bit of grunt. You can select branches and a new leader/sacrifice branches, jins etc. and by October/ November you should have a nice small trunk with movement that is set in place permenently. A couple of seasons in a shallow seed tray to get the roots running horizontally, while you build a set of branches and foliage pads. Into a bonsai pot and there's your new tree.

The beauty of plant material like this is that if you destroy the thing along the way, what you began with is easily replaceable.


Cheers
Mojo Moyogi

[Mojo Moyogi]

And I just realised that what I thought was a virtual, was actually the tree as it is now which kinda takes the informal upright that I had suggested out of the equation, for this tree at least.
Anyway, try it out on the next squamata if you like, it works.

Cheers
Mojo

[Mitchell]

ok CD (what is ya name by the way so i dont have to either shorten it or right it out?)

here is my idea of what you have left. its completely different but will make for a very nice mame/shohin.

creepingdragon juniper cascade.jpg

its all there to use mate, and i think makes for a nicer semi cascade. and you wont have to take 5 years pinching back to get the foliage back closer to the trunk on the other side tail.

just my thoughts pal, its up to you what you do, i think you could develop the virt i done in a couple of years, and in 5-8 years it will be very solid, the great thing about semi cascade as well is it is easier to energy balance than a full cascade.

jamie

My names Mitchell, put it the first post of this thread. I assumed you could add your real name to your profile later...

I think I will return and get another Juniper for the Mame upright. Great virt by the way, it really helps to see which way you are meaning....

Picked up three Pink flowering lilly pilly's, which I saved from our dieing area... They just didn't get watered the other day..... $35 down too $3.50 each.... More to play with....

[Jamie]

cool mate.

it is easier when you can see what is getting explained instead of just words, that virt is out of what you had done to this juniper already.

[Pup]

Loose that pot it is not a cascade or semi cascade pot. It does not do the tree!! justice albeit it needs a lot of growing. This tree will now take forever to get some weight to it as you have taken of all the growth potential.

Were this mine and I wanted to start work straight away I would have gone for a Shohin or even a Mame size tree. ALA Jamie' one out of Boredom.

JMHO cheers Pup

[Jamie]

my thoughts exactly pup but we can only advise, its up to the person to listen right

[NathanM]

Jamie - yeah bro, small trees rock I'm digging them. I still like the bigger ones, but alot of the time when I look for stock these days I looke for mame and shohin potential

Mitchell, when I get home I'll dig up a thread of mine from a little while ago where I got a cascade/semi-cascade juni stock plant and turned it into an upright It's really nothing flash at all, because I'm far from skilled, but it's something in progress that I really like alot I'll try and find a similar (but much better!!) thread that Pup did as well
Pup's is MUCH better than mine, and it provided muhc inspiration for it too.

[Pup]

Mitchell I am no good with virtuals but not bad with material as in stock. Here is what I have done with similar stock. One difference is it is 5cm at soil level.[

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Thinking cascade because it has a long low branch is not always the best option. IMHO
Cheers Pup

[Jamie]

thats exactly what i have been trying to get across pup, and that is a great transformation from stock to tree, im not sure when you didn this but would there be any updated pics?


jamie

[Pup]

This was ten minutes ago the light colour is a possible when it gets re potted in march if it ever cools down 42 here at the moment.
So I am thinking that birthday drink I will have for Ash Barnes might come earlier.

Any way here are the pics this was started last April.
Cheers Pup

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[Jamie]

definately like the new pot choice pup, and the new angle will work well

has it gotten thick enough for wiring out secondaries or is that a while off yet?

[Pup]

definately like the new pot choice pup, and the new angle will work well

has it gotten thick enough for wiring out secondaries or is that a while off yet?

Secondary wiring is on I am waiting till, I pot change in late March early April for tertiary wiring at this stage it is looking good and healthy.

Cheers Pup

[Jamie]

ahh excellent i look forward to seeing this tree then pup

do you thin the tree right out when you do the tertiaries?

jamie