Weirdly wrapped root that ruins the potential shohin!

[kvan64]

I don't know how it was done but this collected boug has a root that perfectly wrapped 360 degrees around the base/trunk. I was tempted to cut it out but the root looks like it already cut deep to the trunk. If I just leave it, will it fuse and become unnoticed? Should I just cut it out?

[Jamie]

thats a tough one mate, i thiink it would eventually fuse but you will have a reverse taper issue. now this is what i would do, i would ground layer the tree, slicing the trunk right around that root, basically the width of the root, making the top slice of the layer at a point on the root that it will create a nice line and flare to the eventual nebari, by the time a nebari is present the root section that looks like its cut in should have fused


jamie

ps. you do like your different and difficult to style trees dont ya

[Gerard]

I see no other way, as Jamie says ground layer should give a great result. I would wait for healthy growth and good sap flow before attempting this

regards Gerard

[Jarrod]

I would remove the root next repot and have a look at what it looks like, might not be as bad as you think once its removed!

Then if it is as bad as you think, then layer it.

[Jamie]

i think just ground layering is the best way to go for this personally jezz. it will only help with flare in time, to remove it will possibly cause reverse taper and damage to the tree, i would assume that the tree and root would have started fusing already anyways, and to do a layer right on the root will create an awesome root spread and its practically guaranteed as it is a root anyways

just my thoughts though


jamie

[kvan64]

thats a tough one mate, i thiink it would eventually fuse but you will have a reverse taper issue. now this is what i would do, i would ground layer the tree, slicing the trunk right around that root, basically the width of the root, making the top slice of the layer at a point on the root that it will create a nice line and flare to the eventual nebari, by the time a nebari is present the root section that looks like its cut in should have fused


jamie

ps. you do like your different and difficult to style trees dont ya

Jamie, I thought I got what you said then I am not quite sure of the point now. Could you illustrate on the pic? Thanks

[Jamie]

here ya go mate

2a.jpg

sorry for the confusion


jamie

[Bretts]

I was following you Jamie and I disagree. Now that's a first Your way could be interesting and If it was my tree I might even try it to see what happens. But to be sure we get a good result I think that root should be removed and the ground layer made in place of the wrap root finishing right at the tiny flare that must be there above it.
Great example of how a root base can be replaced.
Forgot where you are Kvan and don't know the history of the roots of the tree. If you have removed no other roots recently you could probably remove the wrap root in one go with no real trouble. Another option is to reduce the size of the root. In this I mean shave some off the top. A circle becomes a half circle. This will reduce the flow of this root without removing it in one go.
In any event it will be a good idea to wait until there is plenty of shoot growth going on before you set the ground layer up.

[Jamie]

here we go

my reason for leaving the root would be i think that if removed you will find it has bitten into the trunk and you will find a concave section into the trunk where to root was if removed.

it will still be a good tree one way or another whether it is removed or not, i just beleive leaving it there will give it a better base is all

[Bretts]

I agree Jamie There will definitely be a concave there. My recommendation is to remove the cambrium upto the top of the concave.
Your way might work and I would like to try it as I said it would be intresting to see how it worked but I would recommend doing the layer as I have just to be safe
If Kvan wanted to try your novel way I would be very interested to see the results.

[63pmp]

Cut off the root, its restricting the flow of nutrients, then layer it in spring.

Paul

[Pup]

Now I am passing on something I have read and not actually done. I have been told that in Queesland you can leave a Bouganvillea on the damp ground and 4 weeks later it will have roots.

If !! that is the case why not cut it off, and start a new set, this time monitor them, so you get a good set from day dot.

JMHO

Cheers Pup

[Jamie]

yea i can understand that for sure brett, being on the safe side is generally the way to go, im not sure if my idea is novel though

pup i would say that leaving a boug on the ground and four weeks later could possibly work but i would definately want to make sure of it with this, other than the wrapping root i think it has good shohin potential, i am tempted to get one just to try that though

[anttal63]

Kev i would have thought you guys have plenty of bougs to pick from up there? Why this one ?

[jarryd]

just chop it off above the root stick it in some prop sand and treat it the way pup has shown in past posts. it'll root no worries, it a boug