Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Share your success stories about defoliation, bare rooting and anything else relating to maintaining healthy bonsai.
User avatar
Mitchell
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1807
Joined: February 15th, 2010, 4:34 pm
Favorite Species: Ficus
Bonsai Age: 1
Bonsai Club: [color=#FFFF00]Aus[/color][color=#40FF40]Bonsai[/color]
Location: Sydney,Beecroft

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Mitchell »

Pup wrote:Personally will not use vet wrap again it does stick to pine bark, and it has only just disappeared in the last 2 months after 3 years being taken off.

JMHO Pup

Ps I can get it for nothing from my cousin who is the distributor in WA.
Perhaps a layer of non binding medium first, then the wrap on top?
Regards, Mitchell.



"It is one thing to shape a tree into form, but when you are able to convincingly deceive ones perception of reality, something much more is accomplished than just a simple bonsai."

"In a perfect world, we would all be giants and all plants Bonsai."

"Grow big, finish small."


Image Join Ausbonsai today Click Here! Image
User avatar
Leigh Taafe
Maverick
Maverick
Posts: 1436
Joined: November 14th, 2008, 9:22 am
Bonsai Age: 36
Bonsai Club: NBPCA
Location: Canberra, Australia
Has thanked: 11 times
Been thanked: 16 times
Contact:

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Leigh Taafe »

Why not just raffia? Works for me.
Cheers,
Leigh.
User avatar
Mitchell
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1807
Joined: February 15th, 2010, 4:34 pm
Favorite Species: Ficus
Bonsai Age: 1
Bonsai Club: [color=#FFFF00]Aus[/color][color=#40FF40]Bonsai[/color]
Location: Sydney,Beecroft

Squashed much??

Post by Mitchell »

Decided to give it a crack (pardon the pun), after the last conversation.

Bound the trunk with jute webbing, then over-bound that with jute twin.
I wanted everything jute, just to test it. Did not use my branch bender but compressed the bends using jute twin and truckies hitches to jack down the curves a the right curvature.
The trunk is 25mm for the majority of it. In case you are wondering why I bent it, after recent discussions on trunk ratio, I felt this plant either needed to go this route / be chopped to 100mm or there abouts. I chose this option, may not have been the best one, but that's the price I will have to pay.

I can account most of the flex to the supple pine, yet the jute must get some cred.
No matter how hard I compressed the bends, I heard no sound what-so-ever. I am confident I could compress it much more, which I may well do.
I applied the jute wet (was kinda loose, as I had to continue through the branch structure and didn't want to damage it), but as it dried it was remarkable watching it shrink. You could actually see, over a matter of 10min, it bind tightly to the trunk. So tight infact, I could not lift the edges of the jute up.

I do not intend on keeping all 1.8m, yet wanted the foliage to help encourage girth in the plant atm.

This plant was 1.8m tall, it now stands 25cm tall.

Any thoughts?
Good and especially bad.

Thanks. :D
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Mitchell on May 22nd, 2010, 6:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Regards, Mitchell.



"It is one thing to shape a tree into form, but when you are able to convincingly deceive ones perception of reality, something much more is accomplished than just a simple bonsai."

"In a perfect world, we would all be giants and all plants Bonsai."

"Grow big, finish small."


Image Join Ausbonsai today Click Here! Image
User avatar
blkrota
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 163
Joined: March 12th, 2010, 11:50 pm
Favorite Species: Pines and Juniper
Location: Sydney
Contact:

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by blkrota »

Well that says it all it may be sticky but you didnt hear any cracking while bending the trunk and you say you could have pushed it some more,, Works for me .
that will look sweet 8-)

LOL just noticed the bunnings basket
Last edited by blkrota on May 22nd, 2010, 6:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Mitchell
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1807
Joined: February 15th, 2010, 4:34 pm
Favorite Species: Ficus
Bonsai Age: 1
Bonsai Club: [color=#FFFF00]Aus[/color][color=#40FF40]Bonsai[/color]
Location: Sydney,Beecroft

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Mitchell »

blkrota wrote:Well that says it all it may be sticky but you didnt hear any cracking while bending the trunk and you say you could have pushed it some more,, Works for me .
that will look sweet 8-)

LOL just noticed the bunnings basket
Vet wrap is sticky, this is Jute (not sticky natural fibre). :D

Stealing things is bad, so get your kids to do it. :shock: :lol:
In some states they may have older, smaller baskets like this. They are for sale, just you wouldn't know that unless you worked there.... ;)
Last edited by Mitchell on May 22nd, 2010, 6:31 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Regards, Mitchell.



"It is one thing to shape a tree into form, but when you are able to convincingly deceive ones perception of reality, something much more is accomplished than just a simple bonsai."

"In a perfect world, we would all be giants and all plants Bonsai."

"Grow big, finish small."


Image Join Ausbonsai today Click Here! Image
User avatar
Mitchell
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1807
Joined: February 15th, 2010, 4:34 pm
Favorite Species: Ficus
Bonsai Age: 1
Bonsai Club: [color=#FFFF00]Aus[/color][color=#40FF40]Bonsai[/color]
Location: Sydney,Beecroft

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Mitchell »

Finally got my camera working... Here's a couple of closer shots of the binding.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Regards, Mitchell.



"It is one thing to shape a tree into form, but when you are able to convincingly deceive ones perception of reality, something much more is accomplished than just a simple bonsai."

"In a perfect world, we would all be giants and all plants Bonsai."

"Grow big, finish small."


Image Join Ausbonsai today Click Here! Image
User avatar
Mitchell
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1807
Joined: February 15th, 2010, 4:34 pm
Favorite Species: Ficus
Bonsai Age: 1
Bonsai Club: [color=#FFFF00]Aus[/color][color=#40FF40]Bonsai[/color]
Location: Sydney,Beecroft

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Mitchell »

Just a little update, the jute webbing is still holding up fine after 2 months, no sign of decay. The jute twine binding is also fine. The jute guildlines under constant strain I believe will fail in the near future. The radiata shows no sign of damage after it bend and it going great guns.

In all it seems so far jute for binding and bending seems to me personally, to be a valid form of protecting a trunk whilst bending.
I would encourage others to give jute a go. ;)
Last edited by Mitchell on August 8th, 2010, 4:57 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Regards, Mitchell.



"It is one thing to shape a tree into form, but when you are able to convincingly deceive ones perception of reality, something much more is accomplished than just a simple bonsai."

"In a perfect world, we would all be giants and all plants Bonsai."

"Grow big, finish small."


Image Join Ausbonsai today Click Here! Image
User avatar
Grant Bowie
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 3810
Joined: February 18th, 2009, 3:22 pm
Favorite Species: Banksia
Bonsai Age: 52
Bonsai Club: Canberra
Location: Canberra
Been thanked: 351 times

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Grant Bowie »

About two months ago I wrapped a juniper (about 45mm diameter) with rubber, then 8mm aluminium wire, then vet wrap and started bending severely.

I really went for it! Right up till I heard a loud snap!.

I stopped there and two months later the tree looks fine; so the multiple wrapping allowed me to really bend this trunk and the multiple wrapping turned a catastrophic break into a probable mild crack.

I will continue bending in about 6 months on other areas of the trunk if it is still OK.

Grant
User avatar
FlyBri
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1042
Joined: November 12th, 2008, 1:11 pm
Favorite Species: Eucalyptus camaldulensis
Bonsai Age: 14
Bonsai Club: AusBonsai.com
Location: Hurstbridge VIC
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by FlyBri »

Gday Mitchell & Co!

I purchased a roll of jute webbing a couple of years ago for exactly the purposes you have mentioned. Seems to work fine, especially when applied to straight, taperless sections of trunk - it appears too stiff to be evenly applied to bends or on tapered trunks/branches. Like you, I am attracted to the fact that it is on a roll, and it much less fiddly to apply than raffia (well, I have never used raffia, so I don't really know). I find that cutting it lengthwise aids in application to smaller material.

In the following photos, I have used jute webbing to protect the branch of a Flowering Apricot before bending (with an added layer of self-adhesive silicone tape for good measure):

Image

Image

Image

Image

I also have a little Callitris bound up at the moment, and I'll try to get photos tomorrow.

Thanks and good luck!

Fly.
Dario
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 974
Joined: October 13th, 2010, 6:06 pm
Favorite Species: Pines,Eng Elm,Cork Oak,Ash,Casuarina,Mels,Box..etc
Bonsai Age: 3
Location: Melbourne

Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?

Post by Dario »

Hi Mitchell, how long did the jute last before decaying? Oh, and how is the radiata going mate?
Cheers, Dario. :)
Post Reply

Return to “Tips, Techniques, Maintenance and Advice”