Perhaps a layer of non binding medium first, then the wrap on top?Pup wrote:Personally will not use vet wrap again it does stick to pine bark, and it has only just disappeared in the last 2 months after 3 years being taken off.
JMHO Pup
Ps I can get it for nothing from my cousin who is the distributor in WA.
Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
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Squashed much??
Decided to give it a crack (pardon the pun), after the last conversation.
Bound the trunk with jute webbing, then over-bound that with jute twin.
I wanted everything jute, just to test it. Did not use my branch bender but compressed the bends using jute twin and truckies hitches to jack down the curves a the right curvature.
The trunk is 25mm for the majority of it. In case you are wondering why I bent it, after recent discussions on trunk ratio, I felt this plant either needed to go this route / be chopped to 100mm or there abouts. I chose this option, may not have been the best one, but that's the price I will have to pay.
I can account most of the flex to the supple pine, yet the jute must get some cred.
No matter how hard I compressed the bends, I heard no sound what-so-ever. I am confident I could compress it much more, which I may well do.
I applied the jute wet (was kinda loose, as I had to continue through the branch structure and didn't want to damage it), but as it dried it was remarkable watching it shrink. You could actually see, over a matter of 10min, it bind tightly to the trunk. So tight infact, I could not lift the edges of the jute up.
I do not intend on keeping all 1.8m, yet wanted the foliage to help encourage girth in the plant atm.
This plant was 1.8m tall, it now stands 25cm tall.
Any thoughts?
Good and especially bad.
Thanks.
Bound the trunk with jute webbing, then over-bound that with jute twin.
I wanted everything jute, just to test it. Did not use my branch bender but compressed the bends using jute twin and truckies hitches to jack down the curves a the right curvature.
The trunk is 25mm for the majority of it. In case you are wondering why I bent it, after recent discussions on trunk ratio, I felt this plant either needed to go this route / be chopped to 100mm or there abouts. I chose this option, may not have been the best one, but that's the price I will have to pay.
I can account most of the flex to the supple pine, yet the jute must get some cred.
No matter how hard I compressed the bends, I heard no sound what-so-ever. I am confident I could compress it much more, which I may well do.
I applied the jute wet (was kinda loose, as I had to continue through the branch structure and didn't want to damage it), but as it dried it was remarkable watching it shrink. You could actually see, over a matter of 10min, it bind tightly to the trunk. So tight infact, I could not lift the edges of the jute up.
I do not intend on keeping all 1.8m, yet wanted the foliage to help encourage girth in the plant atm.
This plant was 1.8m tall, it now stands 25cm tall.
Any thoughts?
Good and especially bad.
Thanks.

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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
Well that says it all it may be sticky but you didnt hear any cracking while bending the trunk and you say you could have pushed it some more,, Works for me .
that will look sweet
LOL just noticed the bunnings basket
that will look sweet

LOL just noticed the bunnings basket
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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
Vet wrap is sticky, this is Jute (not sticky natural fibre).blkrota wrote:Well that says it all it may be sticky but you didnt hear any cracking while bending the trunk and you say you could have pushed it some more,, Works for me .
that will look sweet
LOL just noticed the bunnings basket

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In some states they may have older, smaller baskets like this. They are for sale, just you wouldn't know that unless you worked there....

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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
Finally got my camera working... Here's a couple of closer shots of the binding.
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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
Just a little update, the jute webbing is still holding up fine after 2 months, no sign of decay. The jute twine binding is also fine. The jute guildlines under constant strain I believe will fail in the near future. The radiata shows no sign of damage after it bend and it going great guns.
In all it seems so far jute for binding and bending seems to me personally, to be a valid form of protecting a trunk whilst bending.
I would encourage others to give jute a go.
In all it seems so far jute for binding and bending seems to me personally, to be a valid form of protecting a trunk whilst bending.
I would encourage others to give jute a go.

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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
About two months ago I wrapped a juniper (about 45mm diameter) with rubber, then 8mm aluminium wire, then vet wrap and started bending severely.
I really went for it! Right up till I heard a loud snap!.
I stopped there and two months later the tree looks fine; so the multiple wrapping allowed me to really bend this trunk and the multiple wrapping turned a catastrophic break into a probable mild crack.
I will continue bending in about 6 months on other areas of the trunk if it is still OK.
Grant
I really went for it! Right up till I heard a loud snap!.
I stopped there and two months later the tree looks fine; so the multiple wrapping allowed me to really bend this trunk and the multiple wrapping turned a catastrophic break into a probable mild crack.
I will continue bending in about 6 months on other areas of the trunk if it is still OK.
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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
Gday Mitchell & Co!
I purchased a roll of jute webbing a couple of years ago for exactly the purposes you have mentioned. Seems to work fine, especially when applied to straight, taperless sections of trunk - it appears too stiff to be evenly applied to bends or on tapered trunks/branches. Like you, I am attracted to the fact that it is on a roll, and it much less fiddly to apply than raffia (well, I have never used raffia, so I don't really know). I find that cutting it lengthwise aids in application to smaller material.
In the following photos, I have used jute webbing to protect the branch of a Flowering Apricot before bending (with an added layer of self-adhesive silicone tape for good measure):




I also have a little Callitris bound up at the moment, and I'll try to get photos tomorrow.
Thanks and good luck!
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I purchased a roll of jute webbing a couple of years ago for exactly the purposes you have mentioned. Seems to work fine, especially when applied to straight, taperless sections of trunk - it appears too stiff to be evenly applied to bends or on tapered trunks/branches. Like you, I am attracted to the fact that it is on a roll, and it much less fiddly to apply than raffia (well, I have never used raffia, so I don't really know). I find that cutting it lengthwise aids in application to smaller material.
In the following photos, I have used jute webbing to protect the branch of a Flowering Apricot before bending (with an added layer of self-adhesive silicone tape for good measure):




I also have a little Callitris bound up at the moment, and I'll try to get photos tomorrow.
Thanks and good luck!
Fly.
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Re: Binding with Jute Webbing for Bending?
Hi Mitchell, how long did the jute last before decaying? Oh, and how is the radiata going mate?
Cheers, Dario.
Cheers, Dario.
