Help on scrub tree

[senseijames]

G'day all, the following leaves come from a tree on a creek bank across the road from my place, it is about 10 meters high with many branches, mottled grayish bark, lots of fine branches with this small leaf on them, the leaves look like Chinese Elm, bot they have little spikes at the serrated edges, the leaves are approx 2.5 cm long by 1.5 cm wide serrated and prickly and very stiff, suggestions so far have been it is a Queensland ? / Australian ? Holly. What do you reckon. thanks.
James

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[Jamie]

gday james

i still think it is an australian holly, but im not sure what there habit is wether it is more tree like or more shrub like, anyways, the leaves are a great size and getting some airlayers on you should get a few very nice trees, with the small leaves it would need to have lots of them so getting tight foliage shouldnt be a prob

not exact but check the second pic down with the coin on the trunk there is a small leaf in the pic, not super clear though http://lifeonanoxfordlawn.blogspot.com/ ... olium.html

Jamie

[senseijames]

Yea Jamie, the pic with the coin is close, maybe the tree is that old that the leaves have greatly reduced in size, this is the closest I have come to a pic.
James

[Jamie]

yea i am not sure how big the holly genus is but you could be right that it is an old tree, it had a fair trunk on it. will be interesting when you take some layers whether the leaf size goes back up but i dont reckon it will

hopefully someone will be able to givce a positive ID.

Jamie

[Taffy]

James, I'd be taking as many air-layers off that tree as possible - and when they're removed, I'd be going back for the trunk! I think that's got the makings of a very large and interesting Bonsai (as in fat trunk)!

[senseijames]

Hi, has anyone had anything to do with a tree species called nothofagus moorei, common name " negrohead beech "
James

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[Jamie]

gday james

I am pretty sure craigw has been growing them for a while and has a couple in bonsai pots

Jamie

[craigw60]

Hi James, the foliage sure looks like nothofagus.
Craig

[Ambrose]

We grow Nothofagus cunninghamii (Mytle Beech) as bonsai a lot here in Tasmania. It is a related one of the southern beeches.
My member photo is Nothofagus gunnii (Deciduous Beech) in Tasmania, Australia's only winter deciduous tree.

[shibui]

My member photo is Nothofagus gunnii (Deciduous Beech) in Tasmania, Australia's only winter deciduous tree.

Maybe Tasmania's only winter deciduous tree but I think there are a few other winter deciduous native trees Ambrose. Here is a paragraph from the Australian Native Plant society:

The two best known deciduous Australian species are the red cedar (Toona ciliata) and the white cedar (Melia azedarach). Both of these occur in subtropical rainforests of Queensland and New South Wales and are popular in cultivation. In Tasmania the deciduous beech (Nothofagus gunnii) can be found.

now, back to looking for an ID for James