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Crateagus Oxy..Hawthorn.. Paul's Scarlet.

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I am layering my Hawthorn" Paul's Scarlet" and took a shot of it flowering before i cut them all off :cry: Absolutely wonderful flowering habit. I have such a hard time getting my common Hawthorn to flower and berry but this does it every year. I will develop the bottom of the tree for Bonsai one day but i need to have some trees off it for layering in the future. I hope you enjoy its wonderful flowering habit.
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Thanks for sharing Bodhi. These are hard to come by. I've been looking for them for ages in vain.
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Hi Bodhi , i like these Hawthorns , i don't actually have this particular one but no doubt one day i will beg borrow or buy one .Fantastic flowering .Cheers Alpine
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alpineart wrote:Hi Bodhi , i like these Hawthorns , i don't actually have this particular one but no doubt one day i will beg borrow or buy one .Fantastic flowering .Cheers Alpine
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Looks like a lovely Hawthorn Bodhi, I wonder why it is that these great hawthorn cultivars have slipped off the radar when they are pretty hardy trees,
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craigw60 wrote:Looks like a lovely Hawthorn Bodhi, I wonder why it is that these great hawthorn cultivars have slipped off the radar when they are pretty hardy trees,
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I have to agree Craig. Since i acquired this one i have not seen it since. I am making sure though, that i help this species to flourish. It is fussy with cuttings as i havent got any to survive yet, but no probs with layering it. :D
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Have you ever seen the evergreen one called mexicana its a great tree with really big fruit.
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craigw60 wrote:Have you ever seen the evergreen one called mexicana its a great tree with really big fruit.
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HMMMM!!! Interesting you bring that up Craig. In my post on the aerial layering of a Hawthorn i collected i have not been able to i.d it. Larger leaf and larger orange fruit and stunning Autumn colour. From a vague memory, pink flowering, but that could be incorrect.
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Hey Bodi
I think I have one of these? Is a grafted pink/red flower very similar looking to yours. It was given to me a few years ago and after growing out in the ground it is just a bit fatter than yours. The graft has blended really well. When moving it this spring I was surprised to see a great base on it that is starting to muscle very well. I spy a new leader for the future and planned on trying some cuttings I guess I should try a couple of air layers as well.
Has not been as strong as other years after transplanting, the roots got a very hard cut back but none was removed from the top, maybe lots more water might have helped? So might have to just leave it alone this year but I am looking forward to working with it in the future.
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Hi Bodhi, That sounds like the one to me, it holds its fruit for quite a long time, and leaves for most f the winter.
G,day Brett, good to see your still around you have been missed. I have had a washington thorn for many years and have found that it always sulks a bit after root pruning, I don't work on the roots very often at all these days maybe once every 5 years and the tree seems to like that. From what I have heard of hawthorn they are very difficult from cuttings so I would guess layering is the best option.
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Bretts wrote:Hey Bodi
I think I have one of these? Is a grafted pink/red flower very similar looking to yours. It was given to me a few years ago and after growing out in the ground it is just a bit fatter than yours. The graft has blended really well. When moving it this spring I was surprised to see a great base on it that is starting to muscle very well. I spy a new leader for the future and planned on trying some cuttings I guess I should try a couple of air layers as well.
Has not been as strong as other years after transplanting, the roots got a very hard cut back but none was removed from the top, maybe lots more water might have helped? So might have to just leave it alone this year but I am looking forward to working with it in the future.
Mine has an excellent graft also, cant even see it. :D How about posting a photo for flower comparison :?: Nice to see you back on board.
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Isn't that the graft just below the foliage :?:
I thought I took a picture of it out of the ground in spring showing the base but must have been slack as I can't find one :| I was disappointed with a lack of flowering this year which I gather is due to the weakened state after transplanting. It has leafed out fine down low with some poor flowers(they started white and went a dull pink before dying off, Last year they went a nice bright red/pink ) but the top half of the tree is still dormant. Sure it will be fine but now figure I should have reduced the top of the tree some to match the root reduction at transplanting.I will have to take a closer look at the top shoots to see if any have died but I am pretty sure they are just still dormant. Will be interesting to see what happens. This technique was suggested by Brent Waltson when talking about alternatives to added auxins but as always there comes a point where too much of a good thing is not so good after all. I found the same results when I tried to leave a plum full height after collecting as a feature tree in the garden.
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Bretts wrote:Isn't that the graft just below the foliage :?:
I thought I took a picture of it out of the ground in spring showing the base but must have been slack as I can't find one :| I was disappointed with a lack of flowering this year which I gather is due to the weakened state after transplanting. It has leafed out fine down low with some poor flowers(they started white and went a dull pink before dying off, Last year they went a nice bright red/pink ) but the top half of the tree is still dormant. Sure it will be fine but now figure I should have reduced the top of the tree some to match the root reduction at transplanting.I will have to take a closer look at the top shoots to see if any have died but I am pretty sure they are just still dormant. Will be interesting to see what happens. This technique was suggested by Brent Waltson when talking about alternatives to added auxins but as always there comes a point where too much of a good thing is not so good after all. I found the same results when I tried to leave a plum full height after collecting as a feature tree in the garden.
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Actually, the graft is below that line. What is happening with the tree is, it is barking up the same as the root stock. The actual graft is about 50mm lower. I hope it continues that process. I would imagine(comparing it with my other Hawthorns) that the root stock is common Hawthorn. Dont sit in the shade for to long as you need vitamin "D" to survive ;) dont want you getting unhealthy now, you hear. :D
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I noticed just a few flowers on the hawthorn this year. Not as pink or prolific as i remember, since it did not flower at all last year. Does not seem to be as many petals as yours either Bodi. Maybe it is still revving up again :lost:
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Here is the whole tree. I might chop it back this season and move into a better spot to grow out again next season.
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How is your air layer going ?
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Bretts wrote:
How is your air layer going
They have been taken off and potted up. They develop a bulbous growth at the layer site and seem to survive while not putting out roots. I will now try and promote healthy root growth and see if they power on. I have finally had a cutting survive also.
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