AusBonsai

Milehigh_7 wrote:Just do bear in mind that Vance does hold a United States patent on this design.

I don't think his US patent stands up here.

Asus101 wrote:

Milehigh_7 wrote:Just do bear in mind that Vance does hold a United States patent on this design.

I don't think his US patent stands up here.

I did not think so, however there is the small issue of ethics or lack thereof.

Milehigh_7 wrote: there is the small issue of ethics or lack thereof.

Ethics have nothing to do with this. They would if someone decided to make and sell his products, as this isnt the case I have no idea why you would think that.

Bain wrote:

Milehigh_7 wrote: there is the small issue of ethics or lack thereof.

Ethics have nothing to do with this. They would if someone decided to make and sell his products, as this isnt the case I have no idea why you would think that.

I said to "... bear in mind that Vance does hold a United States patent on this design." In short, I happen to believe that his intellectual property should at least be acknowledged. If you do choose to make these, simply drop him a line and ask. This would be ethical and quite decent of you.


I made the second statement with regard to Asus101's remark that the patent did not hold up in Aus. which leaves us with only ethical reasons to respect Vance's work. Maybe something is lost in cultural ideologies I don't know.

I wouldn t have one of my bonsai seen dead in one of these pots (why would you bother)

I reckon there is plenty of great workmanship in the making of Vances product but not that much intelectual property. I doubt the patent would even stand up in America if it was challenged.

this reminds me of Gene Simmons copyrighting the word "OJ" (as in Orange Juice)
no offence to Vance
i love his work

Milehigh_7 wrote: I made the second statement with regard to Asus101's remark that the patent did not hold up in Aus. which leaves us with only ethical reasons to respect Vance's work. Maybe something is lost in cultural ideologies I don't know.

I said it as sometimes people get fanatical over such subjects.

As for the pots, they great looking training pots when you need that root growth.

Whatever fellas, I am not your mother so what do I care if you are decent humans or not. I just thought I would mention it as for me personally, I tend to acknowledge the accomplishments of others when I see them. Some of you don't think that it is much of an accomplishment, regardless of your feelings, it is Vance's accomplishment.


To each their own.

Anyhow - back to the point of these pots.

I had a try over the weekend at making them and as someone else said - they take way to long make for what they are.

I have decided to just go with some ugly pots and let the plants grow.


Thanks all for the input, its nice to see a healthy discussion on the pro's, cons and even ethics..

Bain wrote:I had a try over the weekend at making them and as someone else said - they take way to long make for what they are.

I have decided to just go with some ugly pots and let the plants grow...

Gday Bain!

Keep an eye out for orchid pots (or pans) if there is an orchid show or club locally. While they are not side-ventilated, the numerous holes at the bottom will generally prevent roots circling the pot where water is most likely to settle in a standard pot: at the bottom. The end result should be the same as growing in a screen-sided pot, with the added bonus of being able to better store moisture in high winds and high temperatures.

From memory, the 250mm wide pot cost me about $5AUD: I dread to think how much time, effort and materials could be pumped into creating a screen-sided pot...

Thanks and good luck.

Fly.

I still think that the styrene box is the best for our climate, although the shape is not always desirable.

i have always used the polystyrene box, free at your local fruit and veg shed. it insulates them just that little bit.

i have seen great results with people using pond baskets and orchid pots and colanders and such, this blokes design looks like it would be sweet too...
you can really see the microharrywhatsits is abundant with his pine, so good work vance. i hope you sell stacks, good design.

though i would need 2 months away from life to create these awesome little growing containers.

and i can't see them working on a 2-3 man tree...

Here's my cheap and easy training pot. An old terracotta saucer and 10 wide raingutter netting (used to keep debri out of gutters).