Radiata Pine

[Damian79]

No need for Apologies Boics you 100% correct.
I have been given permission in writting by the appropriate member of council here in Mount Gambier. Any self sewn tree is ok to dig with the exception to natives.
There are some locations that are not ot be touched but for the most part its free access.

[Boics]

Awesome.... Good luck and hope they are a success.

[Damian79]

LOL thanks mate me too. wont be digging till June-July so still a little way off.

[fireworks]

Damian, meetings are at 7.30pm. Cheers mate!

[kcpoole]

Looks like some nice trees there to look to collection of. I have no idea what they are so maybe a better qualified person can identify them for you.

@ Biocs it depends on where they are and what species as to whether they are a problem to collect. If they are invasive / weeds then go for it I reckon, but you have to be mindful of where they are and not damage the environment.
Matts thread on collection addresses many of these issues although he is referring to land that is slated to be cleared.

Many councils will give permits to collect on council lands especially if you are targetting weeds. but you should check first.

Ken

[LLK]

Thanks for those good photos, Damian! I'd certainly go for those pines, they look super. I still don't know which they are and am glad you are joining the bonsai club. People there will be able to tell you, and advise as to collecting and after care. Difficult terrain and advanced trees: they will require a big effort and you wouldn't want them to die! You remarked that you had asked in the first place about suitable collecting times, and Webos and my sidestepping and talking about pine species may have seemed beyond the point. However, you need to know the horticultural characteristics of the tree you are going to dig up, in order to do the right thing. Walter Pall, an authority on Yamadori, writes as follows: "Anyone who does not have much experience with trees and does not know with certainty how and if it possible to keep a collected tree alive ought not even attempt it, not even with the mandatory permit.
An essential requirement for this activity, in addition to a permit, is having extensive knowledge and experience, at least in gardening.
Anyone who does not know the tree and its needs is better off abstaining. Although the technical term may be 'material for bonsai', the bonsai enthusiast should never forget that a tree is a living thing that must be treated properly".
The quote is part of an article on collecting from the wild and it makes darn good reading. See ...
A lot of people on this forum, beginners especially, who rush out and yank vegetation from the spot where it was happily growing in order to make a bonsai of which they know very little, should take to heart what Walter has to say.

Best wishes of success, and have fun!
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Yamadori is not as free as "collecting from the wild" in this country...

"Yamadori" means wild tree, so I don't understand what Boics means here.
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Lisa

[Damian79]

Thanks LLK
I appreciate your wise words on this. It is a question I have asked myself many times and is the reason that I havn't "yanked" them out yet. I want to ensure that they survive the ordeal, and to give them the best chance I need to know as much as I can. I have already collected some other trees that seem to be responding very well so I must be doing something right. Mind you from what I understand Olive is a tough muther to kill in anyway, and the Ash trees that I have are doing very well also. Im looking forward to being anbe to pick through the knowledge banks of the other members in the club here.
To put my intentions in to perspective, my partner asked me "is this just another phase that you will get bored with?" and I told her,
" Its not a phase because I intend to hand these trees down to our son when he is ready to care for them himself." He is 18 months old.
Bonsai has become somewhat of an obsession, I have 9 trees in total and 6 of those I have dug up. And as i said before they all seem to be doing ok.(for now ).
I believe a quest for knowledge in any field or subject is time well spent and have something at the end of it all that is beautiful and ever changing, is something very special indeed.
I guess that is why im so drawn to the art, you can never know everything but everyday you learn something.
Any hoo
Thanks

[Boics]

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Yamadori is not as free as "collecting from the wild" in this country...

"Yamadori" means wild tree, so I don't understand what Boics means here.
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Lisa[/quote]

yamadori
Web definitions
Japanese term for a tree collected from the wild mountain, or a tree dwarfed "in the wild" by natural circumstances..
http://www.nibonsai.co.uk/bonsai-knowledge/yamadori/;"

Sure it's not that hard to understand Lisa.........

[LLK]

Damian, way to go! You're not exactly short of wisdom yourself... nor of prudence, bless you.

Boics: Translation of Yamadori in our Western world: "....3 articles by Walter Pall on the subject of collecting wild trees (yamadori)."
See http://www.bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/ATcoll ... 20Pall.htm So your sentence reads to me as ""A wild tree is not as free as "collecting from the wild" in this country..."" and its meaning is still a mystery.

Lisa

[Damian79]

I think what Boics is trying to say is that even though a tree might seem to be "free" to take from the wild, 99% of the time it does infact belong to someone else be it Farmer, council, private property etc.
Is that right Boics?
Just worded alittle strange.

[DustyRusty]

My partner asked me "is this just another phase that you will get bored with?"

If I had a dollar for every time my wife asked me that question...

[Boics]

Damian, way to go! You're not exactly short of wisdom yourself... nor of prudence, bless you.

Boics: Translation of Yamadori in our Western world: "....3 articles by Walter Pall on the subject of collecting wild trees (yamadori)."
See http://www.bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/ATcoll ... 20Pall.htm So your sentence reads to me as ""A wild tree is not as free as "collecting from the wild" in this country..."" and its meaning is still a mystery.

Lisa

No more on the topic for me Damo - keep us posted with your results and progression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics

[Damian79]

Will do mate.
thanks