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maybe in a couple of weeks just after chrissie get us all together for a celtis dig so many sites down here

dayne wrote:maybe in a couple of weeks just after chrissie get us all together for a celtis dig so many sites down here

sounds like a plan and it also sounds like you know of some spots too?


jamie

Thats it Jamie much cleaner line and taper.

Cheers Pup

Pup wrote:Thats it Jamie much cleaner line and taper.

Cheers Pup

nice it will give me something to work on this weekend doing this should also straighten it back up i believe, i think this tree is either going to have to be of a full canopy, or some dense foliage pads, maybe a mixture of tight dense foliage pads to create a full canopy ?

what are your thoughts on this pup? and any one else who has an idea for styling advice, would like some opinions so i can get a good visual of what i would like to see in this tree, i do have a bit of a vision but would appreciate others input


jamie

Hey guys ,I like the plan you have laid out . celtis really really respond to pruning so dense pads won''t be a problem . I also like the idea of a group dig especially if those privet are the small leaf variety just one point mate, make sure you let the bottom branches grow out to give you the desired thickness can be a bit of a pain trying to play catch up

thanks for the tip bundy.

it looks like i completely forgot to state sizes for this one, as it is now before i chop it down and wire a new leader up on the weekend, it stands at 350mm tall and trunk width is approx. 35-40mm.

when it gets the chop it will be down to approx. 250mm. this will bring it in to a good height to trunk width ratio i love shohin trees
its good to hear they respond to pruning, i might even take the branches back a bit further to create some taper in the branches aswell


jamie

I think this is a good plan Jamie. My main concern is that you will fear to remove enough wood to get the desired result in moving this Leader to the desired position that will allow it to flow with the trunk line.
I would recommend taking away alot more wood behind this new leader than you have indicated in the mud map. It can be a little scary but you will be unhappy with the result in the future if you don't.
It is a fine line but you can remove practically all the wood. This will allow you to bend this branch into an upright position.

I think this would also be a good time to prune the branches back but I would say hard instead of a bit

my thoughts are; i see a stick with no taper. at that price its good stock to cut to the first branch and grow on. hard to make a good tree in its current configuration. sorry, brutal but no bull.

anttal63 wrote:my thoughts are; i see a stick with no taper. at that price its good stock to cut to the first branch and grow on. hard to make a good tree in its current configuration. sorry, brutal but no bull.

Yes Ant that is pretty brutal and bullish but also very correct!!! If it were mine i would be putting it into a couple of big benders for a few months to create some movement into the trunk. Or, if you are prepared to wait go with Ants advice. Still love ya though Jamie

I like the last virt image. If you go along with antal63's suggestion then I would suggest you just leave it to grow for a couple more seasons untouch for trunk thickening then think about hard chopping. Bottom line, too good to be brutally chopped when there are so many of them around waiting to be dug up if you want a fresh start. No offense ant. You have all my respect. This is just an idea.

good to see some other yamadori nuts

I have been thinking about taking a collecting trip up there in winter next year. If you look through Taiwanese bonsai galleries, there you will see some of the best Celtis ever produced.

Asus101 wrote:I have been thinking about taking a collecting trip up there in winter next year. If you look through Taiwanese bonsai galleries, there you will see some of the best Celtis ever produced.

i will have to look at this asus, thanks for the tip to get some inspiration.

anttal63 wrote:my thoughts are; i see a stick with no taper. at that price its good stock to cut to the first branch and grow on. hard to make a good tree in its current configuration. sorry, brutal but no bull.

dont worry bout being brutal, thick skinned :rolls:
your quite right in that sense to create taper, its obviously not worth air layering the top of either as it is basically stock.
what i can see if i do something like that would be a really nice little broom style shohin tree that would be the way to go anyways as the trunk is so damn straight.


jamie

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i was hopin it wouldn't rub you wrong man. i just dont wanna see you waste time but at the end of the day its your journey, so travel it as you see fit. as far as a shohin goes you'd be surprised what you can achieve in a few years. skys the limit when you start from scratch. i buy this kind of stock for the first 2 inches of girth, the rest in the bin.

ps bodhi, thanks for your endorsment.

I have about 10 chinese elm sticks in pots that were inch thick cuttings from a big tall "Standard" from a nursery. Chopped the trunk up into little pieces. I plan on chopping them all down an inch tall and making 10 mini brooms... they're going to be great!