Thoughts on Collected Australian native material.

[Elmar]

Lol.


Cheers
EZ

[Nate.bonsai]

Thanks Treeman. With your insightful summary, have we now exhausted this post?

For the original poster, it seems that some don't think that you can find any good stock/some think that you can, some will buy/some will not, some will go out and plunder the environment to take their own/some will protest against them. In short, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Is this the longest/hottest running thread without a tree in it?


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[JaseH]

I'm not for or against wild collecting - just saying there isn't that much out there to get excited about!

Are you serious?

Ok, I may have exaggerated a bit to get my point across

Of course there is stuff out there, but I stand by the 99.9% ratio of crap to survivable stuff with good potential. I'm just saying don't get excited about rescuing everything from development sites, make sure it's worth rescuing first! Most of the good native bonsai that have impressed me have been grown from nursery stock.

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[Ryceman3]

Geez, go away for a week and look what happens...! ?
It looks like this thread has seen it all. It's hard to think of stuff to add but I will say if I misconstrued some posts in relation to advocating collection from anywhere when in fact that was not the intention, it would be remiss not to acknowledge that and apologise.
I will add I enjoyed the stuff that's come up since my last rant, ranging from the informative to the hilarious. I reckon JaseH, KCPoole & Josh all had some poignant stuff to say, but the gear relating to cats, rats and life on Mars was unexpected and truly entertaining!
Who said not much happens in bonsai in a week

Yep... One more time....

PS: I promise it's my last post in this thread Nate.Bonsai - sorry I didn't post a tree either...!

[Pup]

A couple of unexciting collected Natives

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All collected with permission from private land and rescued from construction site of Roadways. All Melaleuca species.

[Rory]

A couple of unexciting collected Natives

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All collected with permission from private land and rescued from construction site of Roadways. All Melaleuca species.

God I love the 3rd pic, that is heaven right there! That 1st is amazing too. I get weak at the knees when I see a really good paperbark grove. They should change their common name to :
The Great White Bark

Beautiful PUP, just beautiful!

[fossil finder]

Unfortunately this sort of attitude is exactly why there is a problem. Making a mockery of the subject, probably partly through ignorance of the indirect impacts, and carelessness, is why there is a potential problem. Unfortunately ignorance and the inherent indignation some have about complying to enviromental law makes it harder for people wanting to do the right thing. Yes there are many threatening processes that dwarf bonsai collecting but that should not be a reason to become a public land vandal for your own interests.
Comments elsewhere that there aren't many suitable wild plants for bonsai are simply ludicrous and, the impacts of a few are just a drop in the ocean is just denying what already goes on (orchids, crownests, staghorns, waratahs etc) and why you can't find suitable yamadori specimens in various parts of the world these days.
Just imagine you are a newcomer to bonsai and come across a nice suitable plant. You take that plant and nurse it to recovery. Peole admire your yamadori and you decide you want another one either for our own collecfion or to sell. Where are you going to go? Straight back to where you found the last one especiallu if a commercial poaching operation
I make no reflection on those that have taken plants by permission, or even those without in some cases like roadworks where the pragmatic thing to do is just grab it while its alive. Even in these situations there can be unforseen impacts especially when those with little environmental knowledge or care decide the plan of attack. Please quote me accurately!

This is what that notorius bunch of greenies the United States Department of Agriculture Forest
Service say about taking plants from ecosystems at http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/ethics/
“We often don’t realize it but wildflowers support entire ecosystems for pollinators, birds and small animals on a micro scale.” and
“Unfortunately, the forest service is experiencing increased poaching of native wildflowers, even some that are listed as endangered species. Many people desire species that are not available commercially because these plants are too difficult to grow or take too many years to reach maturity, and some people desire the rarest of the rare bringing those precious jewels even closer to extinction. Consequently, some people are illegally removing wildflowers and other native plants from their habitats. In some cases entire populations of species have been stolen.” and
“There are four main consequences to this illegal activity (on public land).
1) All living things need to reproduce. Digging up wildflowers, picking wildflowers, or collecting their seed will reduce a plants ability to reproduce to reproduce and will adversely affect its long term survival in that location.
2) Removing wildflowers from the wild lands adversely affe t pollinators and other animals that depend on that species for food and cover.
3) Removing wildflowers from our national forests and grasslands prevents other visitors from enjoying our natural heritage;and,
4) Most wildflower when dug from their natural habitat do not survive being transplanted

[fossil finder]

Previous comments directed at Nate.bonsai and others nots Pups plants, actions or words.

[Biofusion]

So hold up, the argument here is collecting in protected areas like state forests, or on land that is destined to be cleared and the tree bulldozed into the dirt, or mounded up and a match thrown in amongst it?

I understand your point.of view here, and somewhat agree, but there is a grey area here (although still technically illegal)

I don't see how rescuing a tree from destruction is a bad thing in the case of land that is going.to be cleared, even if it is frowned upon.

There needs to be a line though, and those with principals that strive to.do the right thing won't cross it.

[fossil finder]

I'm reconciled fully that public land, unless with authorisation, is off limits but I have no ideological issue with rescuing a plant that would otherwise definitely be destroyed needlessly and without common reasonable logic. I may not choose to do it myself but I don't mind who does. I don't believe botanical cowboys plundering public land for profit or personal gratification have a place in contemporary bonsaj or the legitimacy of being bonsai 'artists.'

[Biofusion]

That I think everyone can agree on.

[Nate.bonsai]

Ha ha Fossil Finder. My posts were trying to light-heartedly point out that some people are too quick to take these sorts of discussions down a rabbit hole which they were never intended to go, too quick to fire up, too quick to take offence...

This happens a lot on the internet, but doesn't benefit the sites on which it occurs.


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[Andrew F]

plundering public land for profit'

This bothers me too, once money is involved you can pretty much guarantee all morality and sentimentality will go down the drain...

Financial motives ruin almost everything nowadays...

[irish]

Hello.

I have taken what ever I wanted. From whom ever I wanted, where ever I wanted, how ever I wanted to.

That's the facts!

With only one rule.

Permission.

Cheers.
Irish junee

[Rory]

I had to lift 2 Casuarina ( cunninghamiana) this week to make room in my qarden. These were grown from seed and then spent 5 years in the ground.
They were lifted last time 3 years ago and root pruned, with wining and trunk chopping along the way. Plants in my garden do not get molly coddled, so the growth could be faster if watered, fertilised and cared for more often.

Ken

I didn't mention it before but, that is some great stock you have there Ken.