My first trident maple - inital styling

Forum for discussion of Deciduous bonsai – Maples, Crabapple, Hornbeam, Elm species etc.
Post Reply
User avatar
Stewart_Toowoomba
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 377
Joined: January 17th, 2011, 3:45 pm
Favorite Species: crepe myrtle, banksia, figs
Bonsai Age: 8
Bonsai Club: Toowoomba Bonsai Group Inc.
Location: Darling Downs, QLD

My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by Stewart_Toowoomba »

Hi everyone

I have recorded my first trident maple defoliation and styling - unfortunately i still need to wire as the rug rats found me out! I originally got the stock from Australian Bonsai Growers on the Brisbane southside. I believe it is a good time to defoliate and get a chance to view the tree naked. I took some of the top out but had a gnarly ball that needed triming. Tridents seem to do really well her in Toowoomba.

Your thoughts please. I plan to 'hide' a bar branch by having one at the rear of the tree.
trident left to grow.JPG
defoliated.JPG
initial styling - no wire yet.JPG
Charlie.JPG
[attachment=0]

cheers :wave:

Stewart
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

The dove of peace flies to palace as to humble house, to young as to old, to rich and poor. So does the spirit of bonsai. (John Naka)

Check out our club's website at http://www.toowoombabonsai.com
User avatar
Damian Bee
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 1314
Joined: June 5th, 2009, 7:56 pm
Favorite Species: If it looks worthwhile I will give it a go.
Bonsai Age: 9
Bonsai Club: Bonsai Northwest
Location: Footscray
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by Damian Bee »

Hi Stewart, I would consider chopping that trunk down a lot more so you can get some taper, I'm just not sure whether now is the best time for that although you have defoliated? Anyone with lots of experience with maples?
User avatar
paddles
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 669
Joined: December 11th, 2008, 12:52 pm
Favorite Species: a live tree
Bonsai Age: 10
Bonsai Club: Bendigo
Location: echuca Victoria

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by paddles »

I agree with Damien, to consider taking the trunk down by a third?? but I also notice you have left several bar branches... I'd clean up the bar branches, then leave it alone. (except if you chose to take the top off...
Last edited by paddles on January 14th, 2012, 4:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
User avatar
Bougy Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 2599
Joined: February 9th, 2010, 5:52 pm
Favorite Species: Bougainvillea, Ficus and Swamp Cypress
Bonsai Age: 4
Bonsai Club: RBS
Location: Brisbane
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 54 times

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by Bougy Fan »

Yep it has no taper - needs to be chopped and regrown - probably several times to get a nice moving and tapered trunk. Have you investigated the roots - I have bought several tress from Steve and found the need a fair bit of work to tidy up the roots. Wouldn't worry about defoliating until you have it at the size and shape you want.


Tony
Regards Tony

"The problem with quotes found on the Internet is that it's hard to be sure of their authenticity." Abraham Lincoln
shibui
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 7884
Joined: August 22nd, 2009, 8:41 pm
Favorite Species: trident maple
Bonsai Age: 41
Bonsai Club: Albury/Wodonga; BSV; Canberra; VNBC
Location: Yackandandah
Has thanked: 78 times
Been thanked: 1598 times
Contact:

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by shibui »

As a beginner you'll probably want to keep as much of the trunk as possible thats ok for now but have another couple of trees developing in larger pots for when you realise that this one has the problems the others have mentioned.

I'd advise do not hide bar branches, remove one wherever possible so you don't end up with a thick part of the trunk. It looks like there are plenty of branches on this tree to give side and back branches - youll be surprised how quickly the branches you leave will thicken up and fill the spaces.
http://shibuibonsai.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Guy
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 765
Joined: February 16th, 2010, 6:29 pm
Favorite Species: juniper
Bonsai Age: 15
Location: Winkie SA
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by Guy »

I would remove both left and back branches at lower left-then air layer or chop just above the second bar branches--and use the right hand branch as the new leader--the upper area removed ( at the right time of year)has some nice shape and potential as another tree :2c: --someone here would know the best time for air layering or striking offcuts.
Kikianna Bonsai
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 7
Joined: September 7th, 2010, 6:08 pm
Favorite Species: Elms
Bonsai Age: 2
Bonsai Club: The School of Bonsai
Location: Blacktown, Sydney

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by Kikianna Bonsai »

Hey Stewart,
Your trident maple looks good. Now's the perfect time to defoliate so that was a good choice. I agree, you may aswell prune those bar branches now cos pruning will reduce the tree's energy required to cope with the recent defoliating and at the same time styling it which will in turn give the tree taper. I wouldn't worry about wiring at the moment cos you don't want over stress the tree too much. Defoliating takes alot out of a plant, so I would water with seasol and provide some afternoon shade for a while...and keep the watering up due to it being summer. In late winter/early autumn then you can repot (root prune) and wire/style.

I hope my suggestions help. I've had great results with my tridents in the past with this method.

Please keep us posted. I'd like to see how your tree works out.

Cheers Glen.
User avatar
Stewart_Toowoomba
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Aussie Bonsai Fan
Posts: 377
Joined: January 17th, 2011, 3:45 pm
Favorite Species: crepe myrtle, banksia, figs
Bonsai Age: 8
Bonsai Club: Toowoomba Bonsai Group Inc.
Location: Darling Downs, QLD

Re: My first trident maple - inital styling

Post by Stewart_Toowoomba »

Thanks very much for the advice everyone.
Damian paddles bougy and shibui - yes i thought it needed further taper - i chose to defoliate it as i believed it was an ok time to do and I also wanted to get a good look at it bare. The bar branches do need attention and they are thickening higher up the trunk than i'd like. I've not had any experienc with tridents before and i'm assuming from your comments that they throw good back budding and foliage for future primary branching?
Guy and glen - thanks for the encouragement - i have never air layered before but getting two trees for the price of one sounds good to. I have to hit the wiki pages to see the right time to air layer a trident. :reading:

This tree seems to throw several potential branches from the one location on the trunk - and in a wheel pattern like a pine.... is this typical of tridents? If so then i spose you'd need to chose the best branch and cull the others.

First trident - first airlayering... it will be a tree of firsts - but i will go and cull the bar branches - point clearly taken.

Cheers and thanks for the advice everyone! :tu2:

Stewart

The dove of peace flies to palace as to humble house, to young as to old, to rich and poor. So does the spirit of bonsai. (John Naka)

Check out our club's website at http://www.toowoombabonsai.com
Post Reply

Return to “Deciduous”