squamata for slaughter.

[anttal63]

what would you do if this were yours??? no holding back please.

[Brad Loma]

Place it in the area with the rest of "those" trees.

Constructively now!
Maybe pot it in a much bigger nursery pot and wait.
B.

[anttal63]

Place it in the area with the rest of "those" trees.
Constructively now!Maybe pot it in a much bigger nursery pot and wait. B.

thats fair comment but what am i waiting for brad; to see where it goes or something more specific.

[DavidN]

Hey Tony,
The trunk has typical stalked juniper movement and this is pretty much a standard design that you see in most nurseries these days. If you like that then this is a good example of this tree. With your growing experience and enthusiasm for bonsai Tony, I'm sure you are ready to attempt a different styling on this tree. Think back to "Thor" and how initially you were worried about how much it should be cut back at Marco's workshop and then having the confidence in letting Hiro do what he did to it.

Here are my suggestions for this tree without viewing this in person:
1. You can enhance the flowing curviture of the long trunk and create a minimalist literati.
2. You reduce the height of the tree gradually over time to achieve a much shorter but stockier tree (think "Thor").

DavidN

[FlyBri]

Gday Antonio!

Can we see some other angles?

Without seeing more of the tree, the first thing I'd do is visit Mr Pup's thread, "What can be achieved quick time". I might be tempted to chop at the 1st branch and see if there isn't a mini in the making.

Anyway, I look forward to more photos!

Thanks chum.

Fly.

[Dave54]

Hi Anttal,
I think these blokes are a bit harsh as I can see a very nice tree in there.
I will post later but on first viewing the tree requires shortening. Gotta go, just purchased 17 beaut Junipers with age that may all end up as shohins on ebay or this site.
Depends how creative I am feeling
cheers
Dave

[FlyBri]

I think these blokes are a bit harsh...

Fair point Dave - looking back, it does appear that I implied that the tree is below average. But knowing Antonio, I had assumed that he wouldn't have posted a staked Juniper unless he: [A] wanted to stimulate some conversation; has plans to do something radical; or [C] both of the above. As DavidN rightly points out, this is a good example of Junipers of this type.

Sorry if I offended, but I still think Antonio has something up his sleeve here...

Waiting with baited breath.

Fly.

[Elias]

Hi Ant,

What about using the second branching on the left to do a minimalist apex, and jin the top of the trunk, kind of like this;
http://www.why-bonsai.com/bonsai_history_needle.html

Althought the tree shown in the website has some obvious differences, it just another idea (cool how he bended the dead top of the trunk using furniture building method)...
I think you'll end up using raffia and twist

Elias

[ketutg]

Hi Antonio, nice tree.

When i look at this tree my eyes are drawn to the top and this draws attention away from the nice movement closer to the base of the tree. If it were mine i would consider maybe reducing the height of the tree...

Ketut

[anttal63]

thanks to all for your comments, they are all everthing i feel about this tree too. definately needs to shortened, the question now is do i want an instant shohin perhaps even a little larger or do i wanna shorten it and put it back in a poly box and grow on. the s curve has always bothered me but it was a good lesson in styling at the time, the branch structuring more so. yep i will sit back with a cuppa and contemplate that right now need to check out if i can compress the trunk and to what effect. time to do it not gun it. cya soon.

[Brad Loma]

Place it in the area with the rest of "those" trees.
Constructively now!Maybe pot it in a much bigger nursery pot and wait. B.

thats fair comment but what am i waiting for brad; to see where it goes or something more specific.

Sorry, should have been more specific Anttal63.

Waiting for and encouraging (via the bigger pot) the trunk to thicken, the curves to soften (particularly the first bend), and allow some secondary and further branching to develop.
B.

[LLK]

This is going to be a good bonsai in the not too distant future, given both the tree and its owner.
Perhaps we could start thinking about its design by taking into account two things:
a) a trunk should never rise vertically from the soil unless it's a formal upright.
b) it's not really a slanted tree, so the apex should be above the trunk base.

Lisa

[anttal63]

cool brad, i like the thicken bit but these curves either need to bent and twisted to buggery or bloody well cut off.

lisa thanks for your confidence in us and for bringing up those 2 points. that vertical rise is a painfull element to deal with in its current configuration, gonna have to give that another lookn over too.

i have taken to some pruning and hope to get the trunk raffed and wired by the weekend. end of the week is always busy so not much bonsai action.

[anttal63]

1ST UPDATE; long way to go. stay tuned.

[BonsaiBoy]

Thats a lot of wrapping on there Antonio. How long does it take to do? What sort of turntable is yours? It looks really strong and good.
BB