First melaleuca

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First melaleuca

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So after a long and arduous search for the best melaleuca around, I finally bought one. That or I walked into the local home improvement store and this one was on sale for $9, and looked good enough that I couldn't resist it. I've actually seen this tree several times over the past few months, but wasn't quite willing to pay two or three times as much for it.

It's a bit tall, so I'm planning to air layer and hopefully end up with two nice shohin. The real question I have right now is when. It's still winter here, though starting to warm up and really no chance of any more frost. Should I prune, repot and air layer now? Or would all three be too much?
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Hi ya great to see that you have found one. Here are a couple of mine. I have found that M,linarifolia species, dose not shoot back to well, but in the Eastern states of Australia which is more humid than the West coast, I am told it does.

M, linarifolia claret tops, is very different and does shoot back well.
I have never Air layered either one as I am fortunate enough to either have large ones given to me, or can collect larger ones from garden makeovers.

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Pup wrote:M, linarifolia claret tops, is very different and does shoot back well.
How would one tell whether their tree was claret tops or not? It wasn't labeled that way, but I'm not sure how reliable that is here in the US since people generally are not as familiar with Aussie trees here. At any rate, I'm starting some air layers, we'll see how they go. Figured the trunk has to come off anyway as it's way to tall and thin, so might as well try to get a few more projects out of it. If they don't take I'm no worse off than just a trunk chop to start.
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lackhand wrote:
Pup wrote:M, linarifolia claret tops, is very different and does shoot back well.
How would one tell whether their tree was claret tops or not? It wasn't labeled that way, but I'm not sure how reliable that is here in the US since people generally are not as familiar with Aussie trees here. At any rate, I'm starting some air layers, we'll see how they go. Figured the trunk has to come off anyway as it's way to tall and thin, so might as well try to get a few more projects out of it. If they don't take I'm no worse off than just a trunk chop to start.
G,day mate, Claret tops is as the name implies, the foliage is red in colour, mine has just had a hair cut. It does change as it matures but new foliage is red and stays that way for a while. While the species the new foliage is red at the start but fades to regular colour within a day or two.

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Thanks Pup! I guess I'll see when new foliage starts. Spring is coming soon! :)
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Well I put some air layers on this tree when I first got it, pulled them off today to check about six weeks later, and not even a hint of roots. :palm: Nothing at all. I didn't use rooting hormone the first time, so maybe I'll try that, or maybe I'll just take them as cuttings. Have to think on that for a bit. :lost: Any advice regarding a second attempt at layering vs. cutting or ideas of why it might not have worked this time would be much appreciated.

Interestingly, this tree does not appear to be a claret tops, as it is pushing some new growth now and it is not red. But it is also back budding on old wood. Maybe an effect of the air layers? Who knows. Seems like more questions than answers with this tree but that's the way it goes sometimes.
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Here is a photo for evidence.
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It's a large photo, so hopefully you can see it, but there are two buds on that stick of old wood. Didn't think mel. linariifolia was supposed to do that. :lost:
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I thought all Mels will back bud? :lost:

I have done numerous airlayers on Mels and use hormone always on them
You can also try to wrap a wire around the cut just beloe the top cut to help push the callous out and into roots.

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Yeah, as I far as I know, they do backbud quite well.

Have never tried layering them, or taking cuttings. I'm actually curious myself as to how they'd go, as I am planning on taking some cuttings or layers myself.
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Jason wrote:Yeah, as I far as I know, they do backbud quite well.

Have never tried layering them, or taking cuttings. I'm actually curious myself as to how they'd go, as I am planning on taking some cuttings or layers myself.
I thought I read somewhere that regular linariifolia would not backbud well, but the claret tops variety would. My memory could easily be wrong though.

My air layers did not work at all, but I also didn't use any rooting hormone, so that might make the difference? I lost patience and just went with a trunk chop and cuttings. I'll let you know how those work out - I did use rooting hormone this time around. I didn't get any photos as I worked because I was in a hurry, but I'll post some of the chop and cuttings soon.

Right now I have lots of projects a long ways from being good bonsai, so it's hard for me to be patient and wait months and months for an air layer to take - I would rather just work the tree now. Hopefully the cuttings will take and keep me set with things to work on for a long time to come.
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lackhand wrote:
I thought I read somewhere that regular linariifolia would not backbud well, but the claret tops variety would. My memory could easily be wrong though.
I think (and I should say I've never tried this) that you need to give it a tickle with a flame to encourage backbudding. I've seen a few threads that suggest this :)

Here is a really old thread, but you can see the outcome... although I wouldn't reccomend burning it the way this member has (bit too extreme lol): viewtopic.php?f=104&t=6869&start=30
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Jason wrote:
lackhand wrote:
I thought I read somewhere that regular linariifolia would not backbud well, but the claret tops variety would. My memory could easily be wrong though.
I think (and I should say I've never tried this) that you need to give it a tickle with a flame to encourage backbudding. I've seen a few threads that suggest this :)

Here is a really old thread, but you can see the outcome... although I wouldn't reccomend burning it the way this member has (bit too extreme lol): viewtopic.php?f=104&t=6869&start=30
I can't see myself being THAT extreme, but if I don't get some lower buds where I need them, I might give it the old blow torch tickle. The wildfires where I'm from are a bit different - mostly pine trees, and they burn quick and hot and don't recover all that well - so I don't identify with the fire ravaged look as much.
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lackhand wrote:
Jason wrote:
lackhand wrote:
I thought I read somewhere that regular linariifolia would not backbud well, but the claret tops variety would. My memory could easily be wrong though.
I think (and I should say I've never tried this) that you need to give it a tickle with a flame to encourage backbudding. I've seen a few threads that suggest this :)

Here is a really old thread, but you can see the outcome... although I wouldn't reccomend burning it the way this member has (bit too extreme lol): viewtopic.php?f=104&t=6869&start=30
I can't see myself being THAT extreme, but if I don't get some lower buds where I need them, I might give it the old blow torch tickle. The wildfires where I'm from are a bit different - mostly pine trees, and they burn quick and hot and don't recover all that well - so I don't identify with the fire ravaged look as much.
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Just had a fire not far from my place a few weeks ago, and the new growth is crazy. The natives love it :)
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lackhand wrote:Well I put some air layers on this tree when I first got it, pulled them off today to check about six weeks later, and not even a hint of roots. :palm: Nothing at all. I didn't use rooting hormone the first time, so maybe I'll try that, or maybe I'll just take them as cuttings. Have to think on that for a bit. :lost: Any advice regarding a second attempt at layering vs. cutting or ideas of why it might not have worked this time would be much appreciated.

Interestingly, this tree does not appear to be a claret tops, as it is pushing some new growth now and it is not red. But it is also back budding on old wood. Maybe an effect of the air layers? Who knows. Seems like more questions than answers with this tree but that's the way it goes sometimes.

HI Lackhand, When cutting through the cambium layer on a Melaleuca -, when you think it's deep enough it usually isn't. Alot of the time you need to CUT deeper , when the slice pulls away clean ,leaving a smooth bit of wood , then the Cambium is definately gone and ready to layer. I suspect without seeing 1st hand that the ringbaked section you made has not been cut right through and the cambium has not been removed therefore the layer did not take..

Hope this makes sense mate, please try again only make sure the section removes cleanly. Good luck..
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Well this tree has gone absolutely bonkers. There is so much new growth that I'm still trying to figure out what to do with it.
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One of my cuttings has taken as well. Others may follow, but only one has leaves so far. I'm toying with the idea of trying another layer to split this into two trees, and then making a group planting . . . all out of the same tree. I like the idea, but right now it's still just an idea. I think the trunk is still too tall for its thickness, so it needs another chop or something, so it can start to build some movement and taper. I cut above the lowest branch, so all the lower branching you see is from back budding. And most of the top is new too.

Anyway, this tree was my first Aus native, and I'm very happy with the way it's growing so I thought I would share. I have secondary branching on the new growth, and I haven't even pruned it yet, so I'm excited about getting down to work on this one soon.
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