Identifying Pines

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » July 15th, 2009, 9:27 pm

Hi to all at "ausbonsai" new to the forum only stumbled on it last night .Looking for info on identifying pines .Been searching the Web ,Google Garden centers , Guru's and Eddies all over the world . Its amazing everybody tells a different story .I have located as many as 20 different test plots of Softwood grown from seed from the Northern Hemisphere .They were grown in the 1920's and abandonded due to the fact that the growth rate is to slow for commercial use .Does anyone know of or could suggest someone who could assist in the I.D of these pines .

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The maximum height of these plantation trees is 30 -35 feet

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » July 15th, 2009, 10:11 pm

These are a sample of the collected trees, a stub slice off the Monster Potted and Styled from the bottom branch {dead} was 12mm thick some 400mm from the trunk and it had 26 growth rings counted under a Magnifying glass ,another tree with a smaller 50mm trunk from a 10mm stub had 19 ring growths . The monster has a 110mm base at ground level .

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anttal63 · Post by **anttal63** » July 15th, 2009, 10:26 pm

hey alpineart welcome to aus bonsai. that tree in the bottom pic looks awsome material. radiata?

Psymo · Post by **Psymo** » July 15th, 2009, 10:29 pm

Wow, you sure have collected some amazing Yamadori, particularly your last pic.

Could be 'Radiata' apparently they grow like weeds.

Jow · Post by **Jow** » July 16th, 2009, 7:52 am

They look a almost perfect match for Pinus Radiata.

99% of forestry pine down south here is Radiata. The easiest test is to look at the needle clusters and count how many needs are growing within each needle sheath (the white part at the base of needles.)

Radiatas have 3 needles per sheath.

Needle count is one technique that helps narrow down pine species.

Bretts · Post by **Bretts** » July 16th, 2009, 8:19 am

Hey Jow
Thanks for that bit of Info I have just realised that a large pine I have is not a radiata as I thought. It was bought from a local forestry nursery and has two needles per sheath. Any ideas?
I have been growing it out in the ground as a feature tree and it is starting to grow pretty fast considering it was a very root bound $5 special.

Jow · Post by **Jow** » July 16th, 2009, 8:28 am

Unfortunately 2 needle pines cover a huge range of species......

jarryd · Post by **jarryd** » July 16th, 2009, 9:00 am

your two needle could be a slash pine brett Pinus elliottii which are a common forresrty tree in aus

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » July 16th, 2009, 9:02 am

anttal63 wrote:hey alpineart welcome to aus bonsai. that tree in the bottom pic looks awsome material. radiata?

Sorry fellas its a 2 needle pine as are many of the unknown trees here

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » July 16th, 2009, 9:09 am

jarryd wrote:your two needle could be a slash pine brett Pinus elliottii which are a common forresrty tree in aus

Needles and bark are different to the Slash pine .Cheers

Post by **Steven** » July 16th, 2009, 10:03 am

G'day Alpineart and welcome to AusBonsai!
I'm sorry, I can't help you identify your pine species but I do really like your collected ones

You might like to check out the Royal Botanic Gardens PlantNet website. That should help yield an answer.
Regards,
Steven

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » July 16th, 2009, 12:53 pm

Steven wrote:G'day Alpineart and welcome to AusBonsai!
I'm sorry, I can't help you identify your pine species but I do really like your collected ones
You might like to check out the Royal Botanic Gardens PlantNet website. That should help yield an answer.
Regards,
Steven

Hi Steven ,tried there no help at all . Black and white pencil drawings are useless when it comes to pines .Discription is fairly vague also no help .I NEED PICS OF BARK AND FOLIAGE and of the tree . These were test plots non viable for commercial use thats why they were abandoned . No records available except from an old friend who passed away several years ago . His Grandfather had a contract for 10 years and planted all the test plots ,ATLAS CEDARS , REDWOODS , CEDRUS DEODORA , PATULA , RESINOSA , NIGRA AND MANY OTHERS .Some of the pines i have yet to I.D and most have been destroyed by bush fires or the plantation corps .About 12 years ago i watched a 90 YEAR OLD Cedar plantation of 50 acres clear felled and Burnt .There has to be a data base for 2 needle pines somewhere .Cheers

John Henry · Post by **John Henry** » July 16th, 2009, 3:15 pm

Hi alpineart, These trees look very much like Pinis pinaster (maritime pine) i have two as bonsai they are two needle pines with very similar bark i will take a pic later.
Thanks John

John Henry · Post by **John Henry** » July 16th, 2009, 3:30 pm

Here are the pic of the two maritime pines the needles are a lot thicker than blacks

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » July 16th, 2009, 4:52 pm

john m wrote:Here are the pic of the two maritime pines the needles are a lot thicker than blacks

Hi John yes the needles on older trees are longer than Blacks ,shorter than the Mugo's not quite as hard and stiff however the Maritime Pine has slab bark and it is very red .Again the bark is like a Desert Ash . Distinct blocks 30 x 50mm max with deep fissures 25mm deep . red at the very depth of the fissure .

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Maritime pine have red slab bark and the tree is a monster compared with these little pines . They are the Smallest pines i have ever seen for their age ,and i have never seen a pine with bark like this ..Cheers and thanks

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