Hornbeam pics for Brett

[craigw60]

Hi Brett,
Here is the hornbeams pics in exchange for some very useful ID work. I am very happy to know the species of my new hornbeam which will go into the ground next spring.
Regards from Craig

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[Bretts]

Thanks Kindly Mate. They are great. I will upload a pic of Ray's Carpinus Carolina so you can see the difference in the bark. It is intresting that some of these have been germinated here as I have germinated some and although very young they also seem to have rough bark and I was starting to wonder if it was an enviremental variation.

[craigw60]

Hi Brett,
Rough bark sounds really nice have not seen that except on the really old Japanese korean hornbeams.
Craig

[Jarrod]

Love these trees and ever since I saw them I have been keeping my eyes open for a good example to add to my collection. As I don't have any.

These photos don't do justice to the work that has obviously been put into the trees.

[craigw60]

Thanks Jarrod,
I have a couple of young american hornbeams here you are welcome to one if you want. Remember they are a bit slow and large scars take ages to heal. You getting this lovely rain. Its started to bucket down here hence me being on line instead of working.
Regards from Craig

[Mojo Moyogi]

Craig, the rain is coming down nicely here at the moment as I am having (late) lunch in Toolangi. I would be very interested in acquiring a C.caroliniana if at all possible, even some cuttings would be ok. I have always wanted one since I saw a mature tree at the Melbourne Botanic Gardens in full autumn spleandour. Could you tell me how is their growth rate compared to C.betulus? I see from the other post that you are after Korean Rock Hornbeam, do you mean C.turczaninovii? I have a client with a couple of them, nothing to write home about as far as design goes, but a lovely species none the less.

Cheers
Mojo Moyogi

[craigw60]

Hi Mojo.
Carpinus caroliana grows at about the same rate as betula that is slow. I only have two here but you are welcome to one of them if you want. Yes turczaninovii is the one I have been wanting for a long time. I was unaware that there was any of them in Australia.
Regards from Craig

[Mojo Moyogi]

Hi Mojo.
Carpinus caroliana grows at about the same rate as betula that is slow. I only have two here but you are welcome to one of them if you want. Yes turczaninovii is the one I have been wanting for a long time. I was unaware that there was any of them in Australia.
Regards from Craig

Hi Craig, Thankyou for the kind offer.
I thought that laxiflora was the impossible to find Hornbeam, yours is only the second that I have seen!
I rember Paul Sweeney had 1 to 1.5 inch trunk Korean 'Beams that he said were turczaninovii, that was about 2003 and I haven't seen them in nurseries since. The seed is readily available from here: http://www.mishobonsai.com , I don't think that there are any restrictions on it's import as seed into Australia, so I would imagine that a few people would have them.

It is possible that my client's trees are mis-identified (wouldn't be the 1st time ).

Re growth rate, I have noticed that many Hornbeams in general appreciate a push along (a weekly nitrogen kick in the butt) as they begin growing in spring, otherwise they seem to make growth quite slowly, with limited shoot extension, as you have observed. I have found Beech and Larch to be like this also on occasions.

Cheers
Mojo Moyogi

[Bretts]

Ray grows the turczaninovii.
This is mine I got off him last year after first styling.

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Here is Ray's Carolina
First how I got it

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A close up of the bark. This caused some people to think it was hophornbeam

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And the autumn colour

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Ray has two variations in this species with Autumn colour. One that is diffused like this and the other is as the leaf I posted in the other thread where there can be three colours on the one leaf that are separated by the veins not fading as this leaf shows.
Both very nice but the vein separated one is a bit more freaky and Ray only cultivates that one these days.

[Mojo Moyogi]

Very nice Brett, I really like the butressing on the C.turczaninowii, have fun hanging a set of branches on it

Cheers
Mojo Moyogi

[craigw60]

Hi Mojo,
Yamina rare plants in monbulk sometimes have laxiflora. When Nel raised tem from seed she gave me some but they hated life in footscray so I planted them in a friends garden in Olinda. Some years they set seed I will check them out as it should be ripe around now.

Hi Brett,
Looks like you have the knack for growing hornbeam they are really healthy plants and I see what you mean about the bark. Should be really nice after a few more years. I have never had any really interesting colour on mine.
Craig

[Mojo Moyogi]

Hi Mojo,
Yamina rare plants in monbulk sometimes have laxiflora. When Nel raised tem from seed she gave me some but they hated life in footscray so I planted them in a friends garden in Olinda. Some years they set seed I will check them out as it should be ripe around now.
Craig

Thanks Craig,
I know Yamina pretty well, I haven't been there for a while though. The last time I was there Don was potting up some Stewartia monadelpha seedlings that had self sown in one of the garden beds. Now there's a tree!

Cheers
Mojo Moyogi

[craigw60]

Hi Mojo,
In the mid 80s Ron Andersen imported a stack of stewartia from Japan for a demo by Hero Saito. Nearly all of them died but I think I have the last remaining one here. Its not a very inspiring tree but must be one of the few stewartia bonsai around. It flowered for me this year first time. And yes I agree they are one of the truely beautiful deciduous bonsai species.
Craig

[Jarrod]

This has been a very interesting read today while I pretend to work today. Craig, at work here at bayswater we were getting a lot of rain. So I would guess that at my house was getting rain, fingers crossed.

I will increase my searching for a good beech!

[Jow]

I'm pretending to work as well.........

I would love to grow stewartia....

How do they grow in Melbourne? I would have though it a little hot here over summer. In Japan we use to cover the wide fused nebari with wet towels to stop die-back via sunburn over summer.... I imagine that Melbourne's 40+ deg days would burn them to a crisp... But i would be very happy to hear the contrary. How you are getting yours to survive? Shade house?