Elm 'Nire-keyaki'

[Elias]

Still not 100% clear on the name of this one, Zelkova 'Nire', Ulmus 'Nire', Ulmus 'Nire-keyaki'. or Ulmus parviflora 'Nire keyaki'

I wasn't gonna post this one as I did not take pictures of it any earlier before all the chopping, anyways been gradually chopping it down to its current height as it was previously all tall and lanky...
Any thoughts or comments appreciated.

Elias

[Jamie]

nice taper El, when i first seen ths pic i thought it was a mini bic lighter, then i got told it was a normal one

i still cant beleive how slow these guys are, it makes me wonder how long this tree has taken to get this big??????

nice stuff El and will make a fantastic mini

[craigw60]

Hi Elias,
I reckon I would go with ulmus nire keyaki. Thats hows its listed in the Yamina rare pants catalogue and I think Arnold Teese who started the nursery was the one who bought them in to Australia. That would have been back in the 1950s or 60s.
Craig

[Bretts]

Hey Elias I hadn't heard of this cultivar before. Sounds interesting.
I think it is very important to get in and clear out unwanted shoots to keep the growth going where you want it. Can slow the progress considerably otherwise.

[Elias]

nice taper El, when i first seen ths pic i thought it was a mini bic lighter, then i got told it was a normal one

Ooops sorry this one has a mini lighter next to it hehe...

Hey Elias I hadn't heard of this cultivar before. Sounds interesting.
I think it is very important to get in and clear out unwanted shoots to keep the growth going where you want it. Can slow the progress considerably otherwise.

Gonna need some pretty small scissors for this one

[Ron]

In the short time I've been into bonsai, I don't think I've come across a species that creates so much discussion as to its proper name.

This one here is called Ulmus parvifolia "Nire-Keyaki":

http://internationalbonsaiforum.com/vie ... 64&start=0

but looks more like a "Chinese elm" or perhaps Seiju at a stretch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulmus_parv ... 27Seiju%27

Nire-Keyaki resembles so much Ulmus parvifolia "hokkaido".

So darn confusing.

[Jamie]

it can be infuriating ron, the fact that there are some many cultivars and hybrids its rediculous and then to make matters worse the powers that be like to change the names of them every now and again just to frustrate us i think ahwell, i reckon thats a cool little tree, and when it fills out say in the next 10 years at the growth rate (sorry El, it is slow growing ) it will be awesome


jamie

[Pup]

Hi Elias,
I reckon I would go with ulmus nire keyaki. Thats hows its listed in the Yamina rare pants catalogue and I think Arnold Teese who started the nursery was the one who bought them in to Australia. That would have been back in the 1950s or 60s.
Craig

Craig we had a guy here by the name of Archie Glass used to import Palms. He got a container in the early 80's of Bonsai pots tools books wire and some of these. As on the invoice, Nire geyaki
Every time I post them not matter where there seems to be this discussion.

I have been told the same as you Nire geyaki a type of elm, as in Classic Bonsai of Japan plate 162 or Keyaki. So I now go with Hokkeido.

Now I know William N Valavanis has some Hokkeido may be he can help us out here please Bill.

Cheers Pup

[anttal63]

Nice one EL! Great taper and the size of those leaves are mind warping!

[shibui]

Always lots of controversy over the name!
My original came from arnold teese at yamina rare plants labelled Ulmus parvifolia Nire Keyaki but the handwriting was a little hard to read so pup's name direct from Japan may be more accurate.....
I think Ive said before, my oldest one is now over 20 years and is full grown at about 40 cm tall. It is very brittle - branches have broken with a bird sitting on it. It also has a habit of one or more branches suddenly dieing for no reason however the rest of the tree just keeps growing and closes the gap in a few months. The trunk eventually grows lots of rounded knobs on it too.
Due to the brittle branches and its penchant for main branches dieing I have only created one mini from this variety - so far so good.
Best of luck with the tree, whatever its name really is.

[Bretts]

I believe Yamina rare plants calles them
Ulmus Davidiana Nire Keyaki

But is this the same species we commonly call Hokkeido?

[craigw60]

Hi Brett,
I will ask Don Teese. I have to go down there this week to pick up a couple of plants for a customer. This guy really knows his plants so should be able to put us on the right track. I always thought davdiana referred to the cork bark elms but could be way off track.
Craig