What pines are these?

Bretts · Post by **Bretts** » March 26th, 2010, 1:09 pm

We have some very old pines around Parkes and I have never worked out what they are.
Any ideas?

This is the first it is a two needle pine with needles 3-5 inches long.
Quite tall

pine1.jpg

pine1d.jpg

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pine1b.jpg

pine1c.jpg

Pup · Post by **Pup** » March 26th, 2010, 1:19 pm

I would hazard a guess at green ones

Sorry mate just thought for a moment to lighten things up.

The other hazard would be for radiata as a lot were planted as furniture and house building wood.
A lot got away via cockatoos eating the cones.

Just my humble opinion. Pup

Bretts · Post by **Bretts** » March 26th, 2010, 1:22 pm

I am not sure if this is the same species as the first one posted but this shorter statured ones are more common around here as a street tree.

pine2c.jpg

pine2d.jpg

pine2a.jpg

The bark is much better on the shorter variety than the tall one above. Sorry about the fuzzy pic

pine2b.jpg

Batteries just ran out on the camera but the cones from these trees look the same. 80-90mm long and 30-35mm wide.

Bretts · Post by **Bretts** » March 26th, 2010, 1:25 pm

They are definitely Green pup but I don't think Radiata. I thought they where but then I was told Radiata had three needles not two. At least I think that is what I was told. Apparently two needle is the most common hence the hardest to identify.

alpineart · Post by **alpineart** » March 27th, 2010, 7:03 am

[quote="Bretts"]They are definitely Green pup but I don't think Radiata. I thought they where but then I was told Radiata had three needles not two. At least I think that is what I was told. Apparently two needle is the most common hence the hardest to identify.[/quote

Hi Bretts there are 2 / 2 needle radiata pines in the world ,although very few know about them .
1/ Var' Binata Lemmon
2/ Var' Baja California
Some of the old Radiata trees 90 years plus around VIC have 2 needles at the ends however on closer inspection you can locate 3-4- sometimes even 5 needles on them .Mind you i havn't done any thorough research on them .Cheers

shibui · Post by **shibui** » March 27th, 2010, 4:36 pm

Some of those later images look a little like Pinus halapensis - Aleppo pine.These are common in drier areas around Australia so that would fit in with being planted at Parkes. Halapensis has quite distinctive blue juvenile growth but ends up looking like most other 2 needle pines but they tend to be shorter and more spreading than radiata.
I believe halapensis is from southern Europe and may even be what is grown as 'Gallipoli Lone pine' here in Australia although I was recently told that due to a mistake the lone pine grown in Australia is not actually the same species/ variety as the lone pine at Gallipoli.

Bretts · Post by **Bretts** » March 28th, 2010, 9:56 am

Thanks Shibui. Aleppo pine was my mate Pol's first guess and it sure looks like it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_halepensis

I did not realise this was the 'Gallipoli Lone pine' Thats intresting.

Thanks for that info too Alpine but I found it dificult finding any further info

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » November 4th, 2010, 12:53 am

Hey , don't know if you're still searching but going buy the bark texture and general apearance of the foliage i'd guess pinus pinea or one of the pinus nigra varieties perhaps.

Ryan

Matt Jermy · Post by **Matt Jermy** » November 4th, 2010, 2:18 am

Halepensis.... is that a chilli tree with bad breath..?
Matt.

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