Collecting Hawthorn

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Collecting Hawthorn

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Gday Guys,
I have been invited to go out digging Hawthorn in the next week or two. I'm just looking for any advice on lifting big Hawthorns and aftercare.

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alpineart and miyagiman are the men for this one! miyagi has an aboslute stomper of a hawthorn!
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Nothing to stress about, its a weed! :D
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There is mixed advice on the success of collecting hawthorn. Generally the opinion is the success rate is high but I have heard some take much more care. Alpine stated that sometimes they refuse to bud out (sulk) for upto a few years. I only started collecting them last year and shortly after Alpine told me this I realised one of my 4 I collected was not waking up.
A solution Alpine found for hawthorn that refused to bud out was to soak the tree in a tub of water for a couple of weeks.
Other advice I received from Ray Nesci on this is that when field collecting in a dry year he finds some trees refuse to bud out. (various species) The solution he found was to put them in a humidity tent setup. It seems to me that Alpines solution is accomplishing much the same thing as Ray has suggested.
I never got around to sticking mine in a tub and lost it but I was happy with 3 out of four on the first attempt.
I would recommend early spring for collecting but if you do it now keep them out of the frost and maybe a plastic bag over the tree might be a good idea. Not sure if seasol is effective in Winter dormancy but I am pretty sure it can't hurt!
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Awesome...The Hawthoff is ON!
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hi webos, pretty much what bretts described will work. the smaller stuff never gives a problem, but the biggies need a bit of preparation. i soaked the cannon for 2 weeks in a bath before planting into a large particle mix. the biggies are better done closer to spring however. cheers, miyagiman.
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Thanks Miyagi,
What was the Canon soaked in? Seasol? Water? Poo-Water?
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I have collected a few in my time Webos, and they are not as successfully dug as a lot of people think. Brett's 3 form 4 is about the average or a bit better, and the bigger they are the more difficult they are. But don't be discouraged. My advice would be to dig in the last week of August in your part of the world, and don't work on them for two years after lifting.
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just plain old water webos. but they are right, leave the big ones till late july or august. you will have to keep an eye on the seasons budburst as this is our first year of reasonable rain, and this might change timing a bit for your local trees. miyagiman.
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Good advice from the gang. Thanks very much guys. Hey Watto, did you know that it was me sitting next to you at the Salvatore workshop? Thanks for the use of your Jin tools...very much appreciated my friend.
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