Peculiar cutting results.

[Pup]

A few months ago there was some discussion on cuttings being the best way to get a particular plant. I mentioned at the time that I had, had a peculiar occurrence with cuttings.
Many years ago Mrs Pup got some Chamaecyparis obtusa flabelliformis nana. Any way she was told they are very slow growing.

So under supervision of yours truly she created this Saikei. From the tree's on the right. Then she wanted some more, Bob Asquith was out of business. So I took some cuttings. The small ones on the left and the bigger ones on the right from the two oldest tree's in the group.
This was done 5years ago with all treatment the same, then and since. You will notice there is a marked difference between the ones on the left to those on the right.
Do any of the horticulturists or Botanist's have an explanation please.

It has puzzled me for a long time, today when I was re potting I remembered the discussion, and being asked to post a picture, ( old timers disease ).

Well here is the setting in question.
Cheers Pup

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[Taffy]

Hey Pup, maybe the ones on the right don't have to compete so much for the available nutrients?

[NaturalSelection]

the root systems maybe.

NS

its amazing!!!

[Jamie]

hi pu,

Im a touch confused, the smaller trees in the group were cuttings from the bigger trees? or is this what you are saying that the big ones are the cuttings from the ones on the right?

I have always considered cuttings even if they are bigger to start with, dont seem to be as strong growers. not for the first year or two anyways.

[Pup]

hi pu,

Im a touch confused, the smaller trees in the group were cuttings from the bigger trees? or is this what you are saying that the big ones are the cuttings from the ones on the right?

I have always considered cuttings even if they are bigger to start with, dont seem to be as strong growers. not for the first year or two anyways.

The big trees on the left, supplied all of the cuttings, small ones in the group on the left, and all of the cuttings on the right. All of the cuttings have been growing for 5 years. They were all the same when planted.
It is not the sizes that have me confused, but the difference between the tree's, all from the same parent stock. Look at how different the ones on the right are.

Cheers Pup

[Bretts]

Hi Pup
This may be from the fact that taking cuttings from different parts of a juniper gives different characteristics. Taking cuttings from lower lateral branches will give a creeping form and taking cuttings from the upright parts of the tree will give upright growing characteristics.
This as I am sure you know is how cultivars of various species can be developed.

[bodhidharma]

Hi ya Pup, i have no idea but they certainly look the part. Mrs Pup has a fairly good eye for detail.

[bonsaiboy50]

Hi Pup
This may be from the fact that taking cuttings from different parts of a juniper gives different characteristics. Taking cuttings from lower lateral branches will give a creeping form and taking cuttings from the upright parts of the tree will give upright growing characteristics.
This as I am sure you know is how cultivars of various species can be developed.

Bretts , I think you have the answer here. I have seeen the same thing happen to redwood cuttings. Some cutttings were taken from the top of the tree and otheres from around the base. After striking they were planted in the ground. After a few years growth it was noticed that the cutting from the top of the parent tree were growing very tall and thin and the ones from the base were growing very wide and squat. The difference in them was quite remarkable.
Regards Greg

[Pup]

G,day guys I think that could be the answer, as I cannot remember where each cutting was taken from.The other puzzling aspect is the colour there is marked difference in the colour of the ones on the right are very much darker.

Thank you for helping me sort this dilemma out.
Bohdi she does have a good eye. Thats why she chose me

Cheers Pup

[bodhidharma]

Thank you for helping me sort this dilemma out.
Bohdi she does have a good eye. Thats why she chose me

Cheers Pup[/quote]

from now on thou shall be dubbed Mr Modesty

[Pup]

Thank you for helping me sort this dilemma out.
Bohdi she does have a good eye. Thats why she chose me

Cheers Pup

from now on thou shall be dubbed Mr Modesty[/quote]

Aaaaw shucks and there was me thinking I was a shy bashful person