What would you do with this?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » July 4th, 2011, 7:11 pm

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NathanM · Post by **NathanM** » July 4th, 2011, 7:17 pm

When I first looked at it I saw two reasonable possibilities. But the more I look at it, the more I only see one.
My "other" possible was remove the first branch and bring one down from above as a first branch and wire the tio with some good movement and placement.
And the other, and only one I like upon further thought, is to leave the first branch and rmove the rest

Make a nice, compact tree using the first branch as the leader/trunk!!

Post by **Bougy Fan** » July 4th, 2011, 7:55 pm

I would give it a good home

missybonsai · Post by **missybonsai** » July 4th, 2011, 8:06 pm

NathanM wrote:When I first looked at it I saw two reasonable possibilities. But the more I look at it, the more I only see one.
My "other" possible was remove the first branch and bring one down from above as a first branch and wire the tio with some good movement and placement.
And the other, and only one I like upon further thought, is to leave the first branch and rmove the rest
Make a nice, compact tree using the first branch as the leader/trunk!!

It would make a nice compact tree, however i have to disagree. i love the movement in that trunk too much to just chop the rest. Personally im not fond of the rock either; would it be possible to take it off the rock and just have it as a slanting in a crescent pot? In that case it also really needs branches on those two leftward bends. If you were to go that way you'd have to get rid of the first branch though.

NathanM · Post by **NathanM** » July 4th, 2011, 8:20 pm

missy, I thought something similar at first. Remove the first right branch. I see a shoot/devloping branch above it that could be wired down for a first branch. And I like the movement too. But I just don't feel it has sufficient left hand branching to pull it off.
That's just my opinion

It's good to hear differing ones!!
Tony - mate, I agree haha!

Jarrod · Post by **Jarrod** » July 4th, 2011, 8:43 pm

Can we see other angles?

Jamie · Post by **Jamie** » July 4th, 2011, 8:51 pm

gday gerard

this is a great little bit of stock!! would love to get my hands on it!

to me it looks like the first little branch has been put there for a reason, to use as the future tree, yes the trunk has got some nice movement in it and could definately make a good tree, but the first branch is perfect to build the tree as it is placed beautifully for it to build the canopy structure. if this was mine, I would use that first branch as the start of the new tree and use the rest of the tree to create a jin, not a huge jin either as the tree will be quite compact with that first branch. if you didnt want to waste the rest of the tree air layer it and get two, make a jin stub and rebuild the tree from that first branch, the tree and rock works very well together and should not be split, it takes a long time to get roots to "graft" to the rock like that and would be a shame to waste it!

using that small first branch will in the long run make for a much nicer tree, it will incue a lot more taper and give the tree a more natural feel.

I think I will have to virt my thoughts here to as words arent describing things well.

nice stock Gerard!

J.

Craig · Post by **Craig** » July 4th, 2011, 9:03 pm

Hi Gerard ,what do you think about this. Some pretty ambitious undercutting or bending in 2 places and i think it would be possible, same planting angle,

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Webos · Post by **Webos** » July 4th, 2011, 9:05 pm

Maybe something like this Gerard?

Joel · Post by **Joel** » July 4th, 2011, 9:22 pm

Rotate?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » July 4th, 2011, 10:30 pm

Jarrod wrote:Can we see other angles?

Sorry Jarrod,
I only have 1 "before picture"

One of the major points of discussion was,
Should the foliage mass move away from the rock or back towards the rock.

Webos · Post by **Webos** » July 4th, 2011, 10:39 pm

I think there needs to be a reason that the tree has been able to stay on that rock. I think that to make it believable, the foliage needs to be a bit heavier on the rock side, or very very sparse if heading away from the rock in a windblown manner.

Jarrod · Post by **Jarrod** » July 4th, 2011, 10:46 pm

Hmmm, wasthis the front used?

If so I think the trunk was wrapped in raffia and bent and twisted down to cascade beside the rock. The little branch them becoming an apex and the rest of the foliage was used to create a semi cascade?

Craig · Post by **Craig** » July 5th, 2011, 11:47 am

Gerard, what the point to this , will you be showing the original tree after styling.

Scott Roxburgh · Post by **Scott Roxburgh** » July 5th, 2011, 12:21 pm

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Chop, wire, then let it run free with fert...rinse, repeat!

I'd give it ~5 years to be at a good showable level, and find a nice old pot.

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