Some trees from 45 years ago

[Nate.bonsai]

Mods, make it stop...

We have moved way beyond the original post and onto the usual obstinate argument on semantics.


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[Rory]

Wow. Thanks for posting that wrcmad. That was very interesting and certainly something all bonsai enthusiasts should watch, no matter what their level of skill is.

I do get what you are saying about expressing nature. I understand why mike says they are the same thing, but essentially that is what the big difference is at the moment.

You are either replicating nature like Mike and I and others choose to attempt.
Or you are giving your artistic interpretation of nature, like you and others choose to attempt.

Obviously what is lovely about the whole picture is that there is so much enthusiasm and passion for all our beliefs and ideas, that one can be educated in so many forms, like naturally, artistically, horticulturally and emotionally.

Just remember, we all share 85% of our beliefs. Bonsai is 85% horticulture. We only see styling differently. So, all long term enthusiasts differ on only a few areas. Primarily we all share mostly the same traits.



I'd rather have a beer with anyone on here, than anyone not on here.

[Pearcy001]

I'd rather have a beer with anyone on here, than anyone not on here.

Sounds like party at Rory's guys.
Beer and food provided.

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[treeman]

By art/artistic form I meant the technique/skill/manicuring etc... not the art form itself.

Ok so if you guys said what you meant in the first place it would make things easier. What you are actually saying (I hope) is that a. - is attempting to express, and b.- is merely demonstrating technique. I could not agree more! That's what I've been (trying) to say all along. Giving priority to technique has nothing whatsoever to do with art. And - to me - it appears that many (not all!) of the works presented today (in Japan AND the west mind you) are doing just that.

[treeman]

Well have a look at this.. Words defy me. I simply cannot say enough bad things about this and all it's implications.
This tree is my case. It cannot by ANY definition be anything but a MASSIVE mistake! (by everyone who did it and everyone who let it happen)

http://postimg.org/image/luiyu1akh/

[kez]

Deleted post, second thoughts

[bodhidharma]

Now Now Mike, dont pop a gasket, Breath...and then admire the skill that it took to create that. Many many many years of meticulous attention to detail. However, i see what you mean and i am not a fan BUT i admire the work to achieve this.

[wrcmad]

Well have a look at this.. Words defy me. I simply cannot say enough bad things about this and all it's implications.
This tree is my case. It cannot by ANY definition be anything but a MASSIVE mistake! (by everyone who did it and everyone who let it happen)

http://postimg.org/image/luiyu1akh/

I love it.

[treeman]

Now Now Mike, dont pop a gasket, Breath...and then admire the skill that it took to create that. Many many many years of meticulous attention to detail. However, i see what you mean and i am not a fan BUT i admire the work to achieve this.

It's called passion bodhi. Nothing wrong with it
I admire the skill in it like I admire basket weaving. (actually come to think about it, I admire basket weaving more than this monstrosity) At least baskets have a function.
Why doesn't someone have the guts to back me up. Are you all blind? Do you not see?

[treeman]

Well have a look at this.. Words defy me. I simply cannot say enough bad things about this and all it's implications.
This tree is my case. It cannot by ANY definition be anything but a MASSIVE mistake! (by everyone who did it and everyone who let it happen)

http://postimg.org/image/luiyu1akh/

I love it.

If you love that, you'll buy this watch...

[Andrew F]

Its getting to be a bit much agreed. Still 10/10 would own though...

[Rory]

This has ceased to become a tree and is now a horticultural heiroglyphic.

It is certainly a case of 'each to their own'.

This overly highlights why I often prefer the 'before' as opposed to the 'after' when people give their trees so much of a manicure that they look less and less like a natural tree with each manicure.

[Gerard]

Why doesn't someone have the guts to back me up. Are you all blind? Do you not see?

I hate to sit on the fence but....that is where I find myself. From a distance I do not like it much, close up I suspect I would be blown away "non bonsai" people would be highly impressed.
The white ones are storm troopers, the one in black is Darth Vader but the green one is new.

[Pup]

My first and last comment on this thread. I thought it should have died long ago.

However I do admire the work, that some eccentric person with more money than sense paid to have this done. To what they conceive to be Bonsai is beyond me.

Any thing this contrived has to be questioned. Not the artist doing it he is being paid, the owner and those that believe this is what BONSAI represents.

It dose not do it Justice.

As I said with my opening statements no more comments from me.

You can pull me to pieces but no more comments.

Regards Pup

[Webos]

I'm not a fan of this super clean, carpet type of styling and detailing, But to call an artists work "a massive mistake" is rude. Don't be rude Mike. Every tree is different, so if this thread is here for all to discuss what makes a bonsai in its purest form, tell us why this particular tree does not appeal to you rather than insult the owner and the stylist.

Adam